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Hive Won't Stop Swarming

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#1 ·
Hi, one of my hives has produced a lot of queen cells... It has swarmed twice already and seems like its going to swarm once again. To make good use of these queen cells a moved a frame with queen cells to a weak hive with has a weak queen but I didn't kill the queen in that hive. I killed it 24 hours later. My worry is whether the old queen killed the capped queen during that 24 hours and whether that queen was alive in the first place as I moved it to the weak hive? Also why did this hive go crazy with producing queens is it genetic? Also when does a queen kill the rest of the queen cells within a hive? do they need to be making sound for that to happen or they can be in larvae state as well?
 
#6 ·
The old queen in the weak hive did not kill the queen in the cell you put in. Virgin queens are the ones that go on a murderous rampage. If the hive seems intent on producing a third swarm, do an artificial swarm and split off half of the remaining bees and a queen cell or two. Once the bees get over their insanity, you can combine them back and choose the better of the two remaining queens. FYI, three swarms from a single strong hive is not uncommon, but a hive can literally swarm itself to death so intervention is often necessary.
 
#7 ·
That's true in fact I uncapped a queen cell which was developed and as soon as it was out it started stinging anything it found (Drones etc...).
So I should have done well. I used one of the frames with capped queens in another weak hive (killed the letargic queen). Killed off some off the remaining queen cups in the swarming hive as there were too much. Left 3 good cups in the swarming hive and fingers crossed I get good results with no more swarms.. but I feel there's still gonna be another swarm as the number of bees inside the swarming hive is high... I might do as you told me and perform an artificial split then merge them back together
 
#17 ·
I've had hives that were swarming one after another, but in looking back can find my error in every single one.

For example:

I had a hive that wanted to swarm so I removed the queen and put her into a weaker colony. Good location, but just wasn't a good queen in there.

The hive I took her from swarmed, next day swarmed, next day swarmed, etc.

I figured a virgin would emerge and kill off the others. Wrong! She just swarmed. Next day, another virgin swarmed, etc.

I finally had to break down the colony where I found 3 more virgins emerging and one headed out the door for another swarm!

In my error, I should have created an aritifical swarm to knock down the hive numbers and then knocked down all but a couple cells - or put them into queen castles. Instead, I gave them the feeling they swarmed but everyone was still packed in there!

Even one step further, I should have added supers above the nest a little earlier to give them more space. They've never been swarmy bees until this happened.

Hopefully you can learn and next time do things differently - as you already mentioned.