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New queen - she only lays one frame!

3.1K views 16 replies 12 participants last post by  Barhopper  
#1 ·
I'm a 2nd year newbie.
I received two new package bees with queens six weeks ago (Apr 5).

One of the queens is laying like crazy.
She's filled 2.5 8-frame deeps with brood or honey (I'm doing 3 deeps for the hive).
Really fun to watch. Looking forward to the other 4 empty frames having drawn comb.

The 2nd queen is only laying one full frame of brood, they hatch, she refills it, repeat.
I think she's starting about the third cycle now, but she's not keeping up with the die off.
What started with about 10,000 package bees is now reduced to about 3 frames of bees.

What to do? I'm in Middle, TN, so it's too late to get another queen from this area.
Should I add some 2 or 3 brood frames from the other hive that's going gang-busters?
Is it too late to just get rid of the queen and hope the remaining hive starts another queen?

Any thoughts out there?

OtisG
 
#4 · (Edited)
Are the eggs being laid and developing in solid patterns or is some disease or pest causing them to terminate? In the latter case you will see solid egg patterns, but then perhaps irregular at the late larvae stage. High mite numbers may show regular egg and larval cells but then irregular capped cells as bees pull later stages of larvae and pupae.

With my first bunch of nucs I had the latter problem in only one nuc while others from same batch were taking off well. The queen was doing her best but brood was not maturing to emergence. Treatment for mites in my case saved that hive. Mites is not the only thing that can cause a failure to thrive that may not be the queens fault.

All that is not to say that in your case you may just have a dud queen, but I would watch a bit closer to see if there are more clues there that you could use to decide course of action.
 
#5 ·
Are the eggs being laid and developing in solid patterns or is some disease or pest causing them to terminate? In the latter case you will see solid egg patterns but then perhaps irregular at the late larvae stage. High mite numbers may show regular egg and larval cells and then irregular capped cells as bees pull later stages of larvae and pupae.

With my first bunch of nucs I had the latter problem in only one nuc while others from same batch were taking off well. The queen was doing her best but brood was not maturing. Treatment for mites in that case saved that hive. Mites is not the only thing that can cause failure to thrive that is not the queens fault.

All that is not saying that in your case you may just have a dud queen but I would watch a bit closer to see if there are more clues there that you could use to decide course of action.
good answer
 
#13 ·
If I were you, I would do four things.
1. Take ready to hatch brood out of the best hive to increase the number of bees in the weak hive. Continue to do this every week.
2. Pinch the queen in the weak hive.
3. Wait about 5 days and get rid of any queen cells in the weak hive. Take a frame of newly laid eggs from your good queen and put into the weak hive so they can raise a new queen that lays as good as her mother.
 
#16 ·
I'll open the hive tomorrow, and if there's no new eggs in other frames, I think I'll run with this suggestion. Three people now have suggested getting rid of this queen, so it seems a common thing to do in these circumstances.

Thanks everybody for all the input. What a great forum!