[sqkcrk]

Pain is a safety and survival mechanism. The only purpose of feeling pain is to avoid injury so...it seems logical that all animals feel pain. Also, that is the purpose of "fear" as well. You will note that many diabetics lose feeling in their feet and legs and will often have injuries, cuts, burns and bruises that they are not aware even aware of. They often develop severe infections because of these untended injuries. Pain is probably a requirement for survival of any animal species.

Then wouldn't you expect that when a bee stings that they would feel pain and somehow exhibit that feeling of pain? I have never heard a bee scream. If my modified sex organ was pulled out of my body I'd scream for sure.

When a queen's wing is clipped, does she feel the pain? Has anyone seen any exhibition of pain when doing that? Partially crushed bees that can still move show no pain that I can see.

What does a bee cringing from pain look like? They don't retract their bodies in any discernible way, from my observations. I don't know if that means that bees don't feel pain, but how do they exhibit that feeling of pain?

 

[cg3]

If my modified sex organ was pulled out of my body I'd scream for sure.

Interesting. What have you had done to it?

 

[Eduardo Gomes]

This is really anthropomorphic error. We are always attributing human emotions to the animals we keep and work with.

For us not to run the risk of anthropomorphizing it's necessary clarify about that matter that pain perception should be different in insects of pain perception in men . The Brazilian investigator firm on this point : ". Only you can not say that this pain is the same as ours , since men have a different kind of awareness of the insect 's sensory structures of these small animals are distributed in various parts of their skeleton . the insects also have different locking mechanisms of pain and more efficient than human . Through these mechanisms , a cheap continues to walk even after having a leg torn off. Something similar to what happens to a soldier who keeps fighting in the heat of battle and only later realize that he was wounded . "

 

[Michael Bush]

>>If my modified sex organ was pulled out of my body I'd scream for sure.
>Interesting. What have you had done to it?

Well, Mark, you walked right into that one...

 

[deknow]

I'm betting on a Hello Kitty tattoo.

 

[TalonRedding]

>>If my modified sex organ was pulled out of my body I'd scream for sure.
>Interesting. What have you had done to it?

Well, Mark, you walked right into that one...

Hahaha!! :lpf::lpf:

 

[sqkcrk]

I don't have a stinger, do you?

That's what a stinger is a modified sex organ. I don't get where you all are coming from.

 

[Marysia2]

Then wouldn't you expect that when a bee stings that they would feel pain and somehow exhibit that feeling of pain? I have never heard a bee scream.

Considering that they don't have vocal chords, I'm not surprised, but apparently you are.

Partially crushed bees that can still move show no pain that I can see.?

Many injured or sick animals will not "show" either so as to hide their vulnerability. People can have constant, chronic pain from arthritis and not walk around with a sign on saying, "I'm wearing this because Mark assumes that he would know when a creature is in pain but actually...he wouldn't."

 

[sqkcrk]

I'm betting on a Hello Kitty tattoo.

Huh?

 

[sqkcrk]

Considering that they don't have vocal chords, I'm not surprised, but apparently you are.



Many injured or sick animals will not "show" either so as to hide their vulnerability. People can have constant, chronic pain from arthritis and not walk around with a sign on saying, "I'm wearing this because Mark assumes that he would know when a creature is in pain but actually...he wouldn't."

Gee Marysia, did I touch a nerve?

 

[Marysia2]

I don't have a stinger, do you?

You said you had a modified sex organ: "If my modified sex organ was pulled out of my body..." Some people are interested in knowing what you did to it. Not me...I'll pass, thanks.

 

[TalonRedding]

Perhaps Mark's fly is unzipped and he is unaware of it?
Just kidding Mark! I'll digress now....

 

[Marysia2]

Gee Marysia, did I touch a nerve?

Nah, you're a just another troll and I wouldn't bother to reply to you but I couldn't resist pointing out how silly and illogical your post was. Didn't you get tossed out of Solomon's Treatment Free Group on FB for this same kind of nonsense?

 

[sqkcrk]

Ouch, now that hurts.

No, actually I left on my own. I was not tossed.

Just because I didn't express myself well on the subject of pain about whether insects feel it or not I don't see why you feel a need to throw your feces at me. What did I do to you?

I know how humans express pain. I also know how people can live w/ intense pain and not show it. Having a son w/an amputated leg who is in constant pain. Were you to see him in trousers you would not know. But I can tell you for sure that when he was blown off his feet by an ied his pain was quite evident to those around him. I have never seen anything like that with a honeybee. Have you? What does it look like?

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. So just because I can't tell that a bee is in pain that doesn't mean they aren't. I would just like someone to show me or tell me what that would look like.

Wanna see that as trolling go ahead.

 

[Lauri]

But think about what is says about us and our lives that we have the time and energy to even consider such a question.

In my opinion, understanding the behavior & body language of a species..IE, bees, farm animals, wild game, is key to humans successful management, training or harvest. Not only will it make you more successful in your endeavors, it can keep you from getting hurt.

Close observation & scrutiny is a good way to gain that perspective.

 

[sqkcrk]

You said you had a modified sex organ: "If my modified sex organ was pulled out of my body..." Some people are interested in knowing what you did to it. Not me...I'll pass, thanks.

Alright, how about, "If I were an insect and my ..." Is that better?

 

[Santa Caras]

I've never pulled the leg off of a bee to see what would happen but I imagine that it would hurt them thus they must feel some form of pain. As for clipping a wing...not sure those have nerve endings so it'd be much like cutting ones hair. I've watched a bee administer to a sqwuished bee so I wonder if besides guards, gravediggers and nurses they have EMT's too? That may be a little over the top. Just my thoughts and observations.

 

[cg3]

Sorry, Mark. I often forget that some folks don't share my sense of humor. Or maybe don't have one.

 

[Lauri]

Are you sure the virgins you took from hive were of the same age as from the incubator?

For the most part, yes. I handle them all at about 3 weeks after they have been mated and have started laying. Some get marked then, if they were resulting from a placed cell. They are handled for the first time at that point.

The others got marked as virgins and then handled again at 3 weeks.

That's when I notice an emotional difference in some of the young queens, when they are picked up for the first time around 3 weeks.

As far as behavior in the newly hatched virgins out of the incubator, some are confident and strong on my hand, some are blurry eyed and calm. Usually the entire batch will have the same like behavior.

Direct introducing them into hives, a 2-3 day old virgin that has had a chance to eat, gain strength and harden off a bit will strut right out onto the frames with confidence. A calm virgin will stay stone still while getting inspected and sometimes curl her abdomen up in a submissive behavior until she has been accepted without hostility.

One thing they don't do, is dive head first into a cell and eat. They are well fed in the incubator.

 

[Marysia2]

Ouch, now that hurts.

Gee, I wouldn't have known that 'cause, you know, you didn't scream or cringe.

I don't see why you feel a need to throw your feces at me. What did I do to you?

You have a well-known and obvious habit of trying to bait people into long and ridiculous arguments.

I expressed my opinion about why I think all animals must feel pain as a means of species survival. Animals that don't feel pain would die fairly early in their life cycle. A gazelle that doesn't try to run when it feels a lion's claws on its back obviously will not survive.

That's as far as *my* point went.

I would just like someone to show me or tell me what that would look like.

Google it...I'm sure there's something out there that will satisfy your curiosity.