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Converting From Med/Deep to Double Deep Brood Configuration

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#1 ·
I started beekeeping this year and purchased two mature hives that had been wintered with 1 medium and 1 deep. The medium was on top and when I bought them in March, I reversed the brood box placing the medium on bottom and the deep on top. After they mostly filled the deep with brood, I added a another deep box on top of that so there is a med/deep/deep (from bottom to top). Both hives are still setup this way though I've added honey supers (using a queen excluder) above this setup.

They placed a lot of honey in the upper deep. One hive also filled another med super with honey. The other hive has filled two medium supers with honey (in addition to the honey they placed in the top deep).

I'll likely harvest honey in mid July as traditionally our main flow is over by then. I'm considering splitting these hives at that time as well. Any recommendation on how best to do this? I'll be curious what is in the bottom medium in the brood area......brood?, honey?, or what. Not sure what to do with these frames if there is capped brood when I split these hives if switching to deeps for the brood area.

Any advise on how to proceed?
 
#4 ·
I had a hive come through winter with a medium of capped syrup on top (they never left the deep in winter). So to get rid of the honey dome I moved the medium to the bottom and added another deep on top. The queen was maintaining about 8-9 frames with brood in the middle deep, 4-5 half frames of brood in the bottom medium, and 4-5 frames in the top deep before I finally split them. I really don't care what order the boxes are in. Michael Palmer runs two deeps and a medium, or at least does in part. I kind of want to see what my queens are made of so I may go with three deeps on some of them. The bottom medium is becoming increasingly full of pollen. They have consumed/moved some of the syrup, but there's still quite a bit of that too. I may end up scratching the cappings and putting it back at some point to spur them to move it up and off of the bottom board, but we'll see. It's not really hurting anything.
 
#5 ·
Not a bad idea to place the medium above a queen excluder. I don't want them placing honey in the medium this time of year (assuming the honey made this time of year will be used to over-winter so I want it in the deep boxes) but it would give me quick, easy access to remove the frames as they hatch out then remove the medium once empty. Not sure what I will do with any honey stored in these medium frames, suggestions?

I assume the ideal over-wintering configuration for two deeps is to have the bottom deep for brood/pollen and all the upper deep be half full of brood on the bottom half and the upper half full of honey? Is 1/2 deep of honey enough for over-wintering? I'm also considering converting to 8 frame deeps (10 frame deeps currently).
 
#6 ·
Is this medium evil or something? You seem hellbent on taking it away from them? If you're looking at storing honey for winter (already?), why would it being stored in a medium be an issue. You mean you want them to draw another deep this year yet?
 
#7 ·
let em put honey in it, if they pack the brood box anyways and they have enough, take it and enjoy, if not scratch the frames and set it over an inner cover, they will rob it all out and pack it around the brood. Also, if you are wanting them to draw another deep, having comb over an excluder with foundation in between will get their butts in gear drawing comb. It should be warm enough this time of yr to split the brood nest like that, just watch they don't pull queen cells, if they do knock them down.