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I think I know the answer to this question but it came up when my wife was selling pails of honey to some people today.

These people have a Bent and Dent store plus they sell bulk foods. They were told by another beekeeper that they can't buy honey from anyone that is not licensed in WI. This beekeeper was charging them $2.79 lb in 5 gal pails and said the price is so high now because he had to be licensed.

What's the deal? Sounds like bogus claims for profit.
 

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Not being from WI, I don't know. But I am selling 5 gallon totes (square plastic containers/jugs) for $3.00/pound. I don't know why he needed an excuse for his price, but it makes a good story, if it sells the honey. I guess. I tell people that think that that is a high price that I set it that high so I could profit from my business and stay in business.

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http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-...sin-honey-standards-bill-poised-to-become-law

Honey must also meet the Global Standard for Honey. Here is a link to the PDF on the standards. http://www.codexalimentarius.net/download/standards/310/cxs_012e.pdf

Here is a good article covering what the bill does:

http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/20...honey-and-vandana-shivas-law-of-food-fascism/

It appears to me that you have to have your honey tested to make sure it meets standards. If your honey has not been tested, you cannot sell it.
 

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Not being a lawyer i could be wrong but it looks like it is only talking about people that want to label their honey as "Wisconsin Certified"
 

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The reason for asking about a license is because now I have people(very few but enough) that won't by my honey because I am not licensed. The other 99% don't care because they know they are getting a great product from me.

This other beekeeper is from Menomonie, WI, Dunn County- If you are him-watch it, your false statements may cause you lost sales.
 

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100.187 Sale of honey and Wisconsin certified honey; rules, prohibitions.

(1) The department shall promulgate
rules that do all the following:

(a) Establish standards for products sold as honey that are consistent
with the standard for honey under the Codex Alimentarius
of the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations
and the World Health Organization, number 12−1981, as revised
in 2001.

(b) Establish standards for testing by private laboratories of
samples submitted by persons who intend to sell honey produced
in this state as Wisconsin certified honey to determine whether the
samples meet the standards established under par. (a).

(2) (a) No person may label a product as Wisconsin certified
honey or imply that a product is Wisconsin certified honey unless
all of the following apply:

1. The product has been determined to meet the standards
established under sub. (1) (a) by a laboratory whose testing procedures
meet standards established under sub. (1) (b).

2. A summary of the results of the testing performed under
subd. 1. have [has] been submitted to the department and
approved by the department.

NOTE: The correct word is shown in brackets. Corrective legislation is pending.
3. The product was produced in this state.

(b) The department shall investigate violations of this subsection
and may bring an action for permanent or temporary injunctive
or other relief in any circuit court against a person who violates
this subsection.

(3) (a) No person may label a product as honey or imply that
a product is honey unless the product meets the standards established
under sub. (1) (a).


(b) Any person who suffers damages as a result of a violation
of this subsection may bring an action for damages against the violator
for the amount of the person’s damages or $1,000, whichever
is greater. Notwithstanding s. 814.04 (1), a court shall award to
a prevailing plaintiff in an action under this paragraph reasonable
attorney fees.
History: 2009 a. 169.
 

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No person may label a product as honey or imply that
a product is honey unless the product meets the standards established
under......

Nothing about being licensed. Just states the product must meet the standards.

That law hasn't passed yet anyways.
 

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No person may label a product as honey or imply that
a product is honey unless the product meets the standards established
under......

Nothing about being licensed. Just states the product must meet the standards.

That law hasn't passed yet anyways.
And how do you show that it meets the standard? By having it tested and certified.
 

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They can kiss my black-and-yellow-striped drone behind.

Food fascism indeed.

Here in IL they got the exemption passed for small-scale producers. What the heck is wrong with WI?
 

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REALLY.....who cares about what the W.H.O or U.N. has to say about Wisconsin honey. I've lived long enough to know they need to be concerned with other matters, as does everyother public office holder in the U.S.( NOT trying to be politicial in any way) but...REALLY:ws
 

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I'm a very small producer, but assessing the merits of increasing my production. Does anyone know the cost of independent lab testing? Of course, I'd have to pass on the cost to my buyers, unless I sell through third party in other states. The great Socialist State of Wisconsin - what next?

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It doesn't look to me that they are going to require testing unless you want to have your honey "certified". Certification may be a good idea, but it would be up to the individual producer.

The standard that is being adopted is basically a definition of honey. It must be produced by bees, from floral nectar or honeydew plus a few other standards such as moisture content, sugar content, etc. It doesn't say you have to test. However, it will be a good tool to use to prosecute those who engage in fraud.

I suppose some people will choose to certify their honey and use it as a marketing tool. Others may decide it's not worth the cost. This all assumes the bill actually passes into law.

Has the Wisconsin Honey Producers Association weighed in on this? What's their take on it? I would doubt this would make it into law without them backing it.
 

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I checked into it 2-3 years back, talked to someone at the statel level and the county health inspector. As long as I was selling honey that wasn't intended for resale there were no regulations whatsoever.

If it was going to a store the facility would have needed inspection/certification of some kind.
 

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Something you guys need to remember on the State honey standard laws, They are being put in place to help combat foreign honey dumping. This involves using corn syrup and other adulterants to weaken actual honey to a point it can get past import tariffs.

Right now, the FDA does not have a clear definition of what honey is. This is why individual states are deriving a standard so to help protect their own honey producers / beekeepers.

Their is more information at the American Beekeeping Federation on this issue.

The Wisc. Local certification is just a step to shore up what a local is to be in Wisconson.

Besides, If anyone wants to know if my honey is local, they can watch me while I do some extraction work.

Ben
 

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Ben is right. The honey standard is to establisha standard for honey so we can stop "funny honey". Also I think wisconsin certified is a good idea. If not someone will buy honey from timbuckto and label it as wisconsin. A good example is a Tennessee packer labeling and packing honey under the label "Tennessee Mountain Honey". It was all clover from the mid west....hardly andy honey in Tennlast year especially extra white. To make it worse you could buy "clover" for 65.oo cs 12 quarts or sourwood for 67.00 cs qts. Samehoney differant label so he KNEW it wasnt sourwood. Fo those beekeepers who make sourwood and fight the bears this only damages their market. Plus a not knowing public thinks sourwood is not "special" or differant and taste like clover. THere was little to no sourwood produced in 2009 and you can bet the packer knew..just used nameto sell. This needs to be stoped! A law like in Wi should help do this.
 

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I checked into it 2-3 years back, talked to someone at the statel level and the county health inspector. As long as I was selling honey that wasn't intended for resale there were no regulations whatsoever.

If it was going to a store the facility would have needed inspection/certification of some kind.
I got this same information when I checked into selling back in June. If I retail my honey to a customer, it's a non-issue. If I wholesale it to another retail outlet or a distributer..then it needs to be tested/inspected. As pointed out by other posts, this has not yet been made law. Unfortunately, laws designed to help, end up resulting in higher priced product, and fake honey products will continue duping consumers.

There is a retailer in my county selling "Honey flavored syrup". The labeling has HONEY in large letters and the 'Flavored Syrup' in small lettering. It's packaged in a honey bear bottle. Very misleading IMO, and a couple of customers have asked why my honey costs more than honey from this retailer. After pointing out that this product is nothing but corn syrup that a honey bee fell into a 1,000 gallon tank of, they bought a 4oz and then came back for a big jar a few days later. Score 2 for REAL HONEY!
 

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FindlayBee has posted the correct link to the Wisconsin statutes and this is indeed law in Wisconsin. I checked with the legislative reference bureau. (The senate version -- SB 419 -- of this failed, but the house version (Assembly Bill 575) passed both houses and became law. The law now says the DATCP must make the rules defining honey and create a certification process. I don't think those rules are written yet. In the end I think this is a flawed bill and more trouble than help. It was supposed to just create a "Wisconsin Certified Honey" program but because of section 3 (a) highlighted by FindlayBee it is much broader than that. The testing idea seems problematic anyway -- what's to prevent a bad operator from having good honey tested from one barrel or a dozen and then adulterating whatever else. Are we going to test every jar? The good operators don't need a bill like this to sell good honey.
 
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