one missed apostrophe? realty guys?The drone gets 1/2 of his mother's genetics (16 out of 32 chromosomes) just like any other egg, There are 65,536 different chromosomal combinations for the queen to pass on to the egg, add in the recombination rate (witch is exream in bees) and its about 3.4 million combos (3,406,833)
But a fertilized egg gets ALL of the the drones (16 out of 16)
I care less for shipping... plenty of ways to distribute genetics across state lines for a $$$... local distribution and use is very different.How much jelly is left for the queen at arrival?
and that good sir is the point of the sare grant, to answer the question of quality, while the experts claim you can make great queens this way.. no one has proved it in a large scale study, and what we "know" seem to change with such actionsYou may get good genes in a relatively poor queen.
With your typing, MSL, never know what you meant.WTF yall?
fair eunff it was late...That is regarding the WTF.
it would "seem" while feeding is interrupted, eating is not as the larva is in a very large pool of jellyOn the face of it interrupting feeding would fly in the face of raising high quality queens
in having a conversation with one of the folks that has suggested shipping 48 hour cells, i was reminded that its not really about quality so much as way to move stock as i had similar question. you arent trying to make a powerhouse production colony. essentially just creating a drone mother to produce replica drones for mating.fair eunff it was late...
but i kinda figgerd that at this point we had established the 16 chromosome thing
it would "seem" while feeding is interrupted, eating is not as the larva is in a very large pool of jelly
24 hour cells
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48 hour cells
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Pictures form david laferney's offsite version of the Josef Clemens system http://doorgarden.com/2011/11/07/simple-honey-bee-queen-rearing-for-beginners/
You can see why the 48s were chosen over 24s for transport, the cup is almost full of jelly and the larva is still to tiny to even get close to eating it all in a few hours...
but as I noted, I haven't seen results empirically tested as to quality, so intill that happens a bit healthy skepticism is a good thing.
my "gut" says they are fine for a few hours out of a hive under beekeeper care, in a commercial package system full of box throwing monkeys (I worked in a sorting center one collage break) .... not so sure.
Dr Latshaw took 60% losses on over night shipping (12 out of 20) and the cell builder tore down 3 of the 8 that went in a 25% sucess rate, however he did package differently then people who say they have had great success so there is likely room for improvement on that number
however when driven about 30 min by a beekeeper, Latshaw saw a 95% success rate. This fits in nicely with my 20 min drive test that had 91% success rate
yuck:busA georgia queen breeder could even truck 4-6 hives to Montana and produce 100s of 48hr cells in a few weeks and head back
you could get what ever stock you wanted. BTW often northern folks have a place in the south where they take the breeder hives to get a head start on the year.yuck:bus
Why, if its a time of year cells can be localy produced and used, would you not want to get 48s from a local producer of winter hardy, mite resistant, locally adapted stock.
Road trip with 12V incubator to Guelph or a plane rideFeeding factor is one consideration and I am sure temperature and humidity would be another variable. It is suggested that exact temperature control is not critical either, but if it was controlled, as it easily could be in an a common incubator, the larvae might not be appreciably compromise at all.
you want them cool, not warm.Road trip with 12V incubator to Guelph or a plane ride
the next yard over from the Georgia queen breeder in your example :lookout:P.S. who is the local producer in Montana, to send out 48HR cells? Maybe need a directory for that.
where did you see the 3 in Michigan?you want them cool, not warm.
the next yard over from the Georgia queen breeder in your example :lookout:
can't help you with Montana but at least 3 in Michigan selling cells... 48 or other wise... one is advertising Canadian Buckfast 48s