Ya, the hive itself makes the calls, the queen's along for the ride. My mentor thinks that there's control bees, but I like to think it's a collective decision, besides how many scout bees (the oldest bees in the colony) haven't lost the instinct to find a "better" place.
More conflicting data about swarming. I've read countless articles that suggest the Queen has to be willing to go but I'm not going to say this is gospel. I am currently in this camp however because of experience. Seeing swarms leave, come back, leave and repeat makes me think that bees a have taken off and the Queen wasn't ready.
Personally I'd Never turn down a swarm that is easy to get. I've lost 2 swarms out of over 30 just the past couple of years. A frame of brood and some open/used comb seems to help. The excluder is a great idea I have to get in the habit of using. Putting it across the front is a no brained compared to putting it on the hive bottom. Any large holes, which I drill in my boxes would need screening I guess.
Few things in beekeeping charge my batteries like a fat, low hanging swarm and a bee vacuum powered by my inverter makes any difficult swarms much easier. A swarm wrapped around an object is hard to remove and the vacuum is the ticket IMO
I had the same thing happen to me yesterday only I was in the bee yard when it happen 2 times and then they where gone.
All started like this the swarm was in the tree
So I got my ladder.
The swarm had 2 humps figuring 2 queens
So I grab my swarm bucket and shake the swarm into the bucket and hive it.
Then I look over at one of my production hive and there a small ball of bee's at the top entrance so I go over and take a look it's a queen so in my dopamine over flow from the swarm and now finding a queen I take her in my hands and try to put her in the hive I just hived the swarm . Well she got away disappeared just like that . As I'm standing there wondering what happen there she is on the ground so I grab her and sticker her in the hive again this time she comes back out and flys away after making a couple loops around the beeyard.
So I'm standing there in shock wondering if I could be a crappier beekeeper I decide to run up to the bank and maybe when I get back the queen may have back. Well I get back to the beeyard and in the swarm bucket is a swarm so I get another deep and set it up dump the bee's and close her up.
So I start looking into the hive's to see who may of swarmed . I walked over to the first swarm I hived and lifted the lid and the swarm was gone. I was in disbelief . So I go back to digging in some hives and I look over at my swarm bucket and it's filled with bee's again :scratch: so look in the hive with the second swarm in and sure enough no bees . SO I get down on all 4 and look in the swarm bucket to see if I can see the queen and there she is dancing on top all the bees so I grab a queen cage and sticker in side the put her in the hive and then dumps the bees in . Well by the time I was done looking trough my hives there was only 20 bees on the cage and no bee's left in the hive . So my bee's sure did make me the fool.
Had of been more then one queen.
Now I have a queen I don't know what to do with any idea's?
The hives I dumped them in both had comb and alittle honey so I don't know.
Unbelievable. That might have made be nutier than current.
Obviously a virgin queen.
I got one today and they behaved like there was a queen in the box I vacuumed them into because the bees were staying in the box and more were going in. I stuck around and got several more sucked up. View attachment 11477 View attachment 11478 View attachment 11479
They wouldn't go into the box as shown on the roof. I knew it was a long shot but I try the easy ways first. I then set it on the A/C unit there on the ground and attached the vacuum and sucked them up.
I got them home and put them in a proper hive with a queen excluder.
I think many late swarms often have virgin queen(s). I've caught several like this and they also seem to be smallish in size and don't seem to have the phermones to keep the other bees captivated.
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