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Is it mostly for arthritis like Ruth uses it for?
Propolis is a somewhat "anti bacterial , and anti fungal" I take it for general health and intestinal/gut issues. It helps to keep the flora in ballance, it will not kill the good strains. I take it daily when sick, I take it when too loose or too bound up. If I "suspect" food poisoning I take it, I go to any event where lots of folks a hacking , cophing, sneezing, I take it. I have stuck a wad on a tooth till i could schedule a root canal. I have not had meds or antibiotics for about 20 years.
It can be used for many ailments. Start slow take small amounts, build up. I alway take a little fresh when working on Hive cleaning.
IMO if you have an ailment try it, it really has no side effects. I guess I have a little bit 8-10 times a month. less in feb more in Sept due to weather I am working hive parts or not. I also eat comb honey and bee bread so not sure if there may be synergy there or not.
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Haven’t tried internally, but I do brush the tincture on inner surface of new hive bodies, nucs, swarm traps, and it does smell FINE. Probably would make a nice cologne, give it a name like “Calvin Klein - Propolis Pour L’Homme”. User may find it attracting drones, SHB, yellow jackets, along with the intended barflies.
 

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Haven’t tried internally, but I do brush the tincture on inner surface of new hive bodies, nucs, swarm traps, and it does smell FINE. Probably would make a nice cologne, give it a name like “Calvin Klein - Propolis Pour L’Homme”. User may find it attracting drones, SHB, yellow jackets, along with the intended barflies.
FYI propolis is one of the ingredients in the still secret "Varnish" made to cote the Stradivarius Violin. It will help wood to hold up better.

What do you make your tincture with Wood grain Alcohol? do you have a formula?
 

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There are many more health benefits for taking propolis internally, more than just the arthritis, that I use it for. I was only sharing my personal experience with it.

And I have one more experience to share since I just received an update on it: I've been advising a lady with her 12 year border collie that has Canine Lymphoma. The dog had noticeably enlarged lymph nodes in the throat and was having breathing difficulties. Cytology report confirmed the cancer. She contacted me on 11/13/19 and we started the dog on 1 gram of the propolis capsules that I take, along with 1/2 tablespoon of fresh/frozen bee pollen. The dog tolerated both well and doesn't have a problem eating either on the dog food.

About a week ago, the lady noticed the enlarged lymph nodes were not as big as they had been, and today when they took her to the vet, the vet said they were not enlarged anymore. So yet another win for the bee products. The dog will remain on the pollen/propolis mix for the rest of her life as some studies in rats have shown that the cancer will regrow once the propolis is no longer in the system.
 

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There are many more health benefits for taking propolis internally, more than just the arthritis, that I use it for. I was only sharing my personal experience with it.

And I have one more experience to share since I just received an update on it: I've been advising a lady with her 12 year border collie that has Canine Lymphoma. The dog had noticeably enlarged lymph nodes in the throat and was having breathing difficulties. Cytology report confirmed the cancer. She contacted me on 11/13/19 and we started the dog on 1 gram of the propolis capsules that I take, along with 1/2 tablespoon of fresh/frozen bee pollen. The dog tolerated both well and doesn't have a problem eating either on the dog food.

About a week ago, the lady noticed the enlarged lymph nodes were not as big as they had been, and today when they took her to the vet, the vet said they were not enlarged anymore. So yet another win for the bee products. The dog will remain on the pollen/propolis mix for the rest of her life as some studies in rats have shown that the cancer will regrow once the propolis is no longer in the system.
Thanks for the neat story Ruth. Hopefully I am not like a rat or can keep bees for a long time :)
 

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There are many more health benefits for taking propolis internally, more than just the arthritis, that I use it for. I was only sharing my personal experience with it.

And I have one more experience to share since I just received an update on it: I've been advising a lady with her 12 year border collie that has Canine Lymphoma. The dog had noticeably enlarged lymph nodes in the throat and was having breathing difficulties. Cytology report confirmed the cancer. She contacted me on 11/13/19 and we started the dog on 1 gram of the propolis capsules that I take, along with 1/2 tablespoon of fresh/frozen bee pollen. The dog tolerated both well and doesn't have a problem eating either on the dog food.

About a week ago, the lady noticed the enlarged lymph nodes were not as big as they had been, and today when they took her to the vet, the vet said they were not enlarged anymore. So yet another win for the bee products. The dog will remain on the pollen/propolis mix for the rest of her life as some studies in rats have shown that the cancer will regrow once the propolis is no longer in the system.
one can google "what are the health benefits of propolis" click thru the arrows and get a better feel.

As it cannot be "patented" likely not much funded research. Most of what is out there comes from the folks who have tried it. so "unproven, or not scientifically proven" , could be the description you see.
 

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Ruth said:” She contacted me on 11/13/19 and we started the dog on 1 gram of the propolis capsules that I take, along with 1/2 tablespoon of fresh/frozen bee pollen.”

I have a question on “bee pollen”... honey bees collect flower pollen, stash it in their corbicula, then bring to hive to house bees who use their enzymes etc. to make bee bread. So the pollen isn’t special honey bee pollen, but flower pollen. It doesn’t become honey bee pollen until the bees make bed bread. Am I missing something? I’m not trying to make anyone uncomfortable so if I have I apologize. Deb
 

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Ruth said:” She contacted me on 11/13/19 and we started the dog on 1 gram of the propolis capsules that I take, along with 1/2 tablespoon of fresh/frozen bee pollen.”

I have a question on “bee pollen”... honey bees collect flower pollen, stash it in their corbicula, then bring to hive to house bees who use their enzymes etc. to make bee bread. So the pollen isn’t special honey bee pollen, but flower pollen. It doesn’t become honey bee pollen until the bees make bed bread. Am I missing something? I’m not trying to make anyone uncomfortable so if I have I apologize. Deb
Hi Deb,

As I understand the pollen we use/can buy is "trapped" I.E. the bees go thru a fence and some of the pollen in the basket is knocked off. So "pollen" is the pollen from the stash on the corbicula, that is Mechanically removed at the hive entrance..

Bee bread is basically "fermented pollen with "Stuff" bees need pollen all year but flowers do not bloom in winter. So the bees add nectar and some bee spit/bacteria/forehead gland secretions to the pollen, pack it with their heads, to maybe 2/3 of the cell depth, it would be covered with capped honey if in the top parts of a hive and likely not covered in the bottom box. here in Mich they would use it from golden rod ending bloom until Dandelion start as "pollen"

So we do the same with Cabbage for instance, pack it with salt in a container for use in a time frame where we cannot go pick fresh cabbage.
Also As I understand the fermentation helps break down the "protective" shell of pollen grains allowing more adsorption of the proteins and such of pollen.
Pre-digestion basically.
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as bees pack the loose pollen into their pollen baskets, some of the nectar/enzymes are added at this time by the worker to keep it together in a ball, so even when the pollen is trapped off the legs of the bees, they have still added something to it. Here's a fun little 4 min video by PBS on the bees collecting pollen and bringing it home. https://www.facebook.com/NPR/videos/2792551914118970/
 

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That video is somewhat misleading...Yes, I found some of this info on page 708-709 of the Hive and the Honey Bee. They (bees) only add a tiny bit of the simple sugars (carbohydrates) though, but the flower pollen itself is loaded minerals. It also states that “ pollen is not a perfect food for humans, and statements or claims implying that pollen is such are not only highly unscientific, but are also unprofessional and potentially damaging to the reputation of the bee industry, and ”the fact that pollen contains a relatively large amount of indigestible material”... something to ponder.
 

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This pollen info may be of interest:

>Professor Nicolai Tsitsin, a biologist and experimental botanist from the Longevity Institute of the former USSR, showed bee pollen was one of the reasons for the abundance of centenarians in the Caucasus Mountains of Soviet Georgia. All of the 200 people over the age of 125 whom he studied were regular consumers of the bee pollen in raw honey.
 

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This pollen info may be of interest:

>Professor Nicolai Tsitsin, a biologist and experimental botanist from the Longevity Institute of the former USSR, showed bee pollen was one of the reasons for the abundance of centenarians in the Caucasus Mountains of Soviet Georgia. All of the 200 people over the age of 125 whom he studied were regular consumers of the bee pollen in raw honey.
Something else to ponder. Are you attending SABA this year?
 

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shouldn’t propolis vary by location. It comes from the local flora. So, we can’t really discuss the benefits of propolis since there is likely a huge difference between propolis from Louisiana and propolis from Canada. Maybe it’s just the ethanol that is so healthy.��
 

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I actually even have propolis in my coffee by simply grinding the propolis in the same grinder I do coffee.
Now thinking of it, gee, I will be just tossing chunks of propolis into the coffee beens and grinding the mixed fixes at once.
 

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shouldn’t propolis vary by location. It comes from the local flora. So, we can’t really discuss the benefits of propolis since there is likely a huge difference between propolis from Louisiana and propolis from Canada. Maybe it’s just the ethanol that is so healthy.��
As well propolis varies by time of the year, some resins are available spring (aspen) VRS fall (spruce), so the trappings may be slightly different due to the time of the year. And year to year as when wind storms tear off limbs, some of the leaked resins are collected.

As far as "likely a huge difference between propolis from Louisiana and propolis from Canada" Is wheat or apples the Exact same in Louisiana VRS Canada? the roots go into very different soil.... So sure it is different, But to suggest some propolis has no value is not necessarily true.

I would tend to agree some is better that others.
What I do is mix in a container, from different time slots and different Apiaries, and different hives. This "Blend" is what I use. I actually have 2 containers, one for the very clean and one for the stuff with bits of wood, a leg here and there etc. I eat the seconds and offer the best to friends and relatives, some are very happy to have it.
I am not in a position to do studies on the place or time of year that has the best results. and I do not feel it matters.
I have seen these type studies (All of the 200 people over the age of 125 whom he studied were regular consumers of the bee pollen in raw honey) The book Hive and the Honey bee has a study with German folks that is similar, As I recall 90 Plus percent of the over 100 people in the study were either bee keepers or have family that were. "suggesting" hive products add to longevity. Who Knows it may be the stings??

Hey If I have a pail full why not use some?? I figure the "indigestible" parts will pass....

As far as the "pollen" I Like to place a packed pollen comb up in a super. the bees fill the rest of the space and cap it with honey. You have like 2/3 bee bread and 1/3 honey. I cut it up in 1 inch squares. eat like candy.
Will it help, I do not know, It costs little and it is something I "can" do. As well there are like 19 different Esters in Wax, have they been studied?? We eat comb, so those go thru our systems as well.. It could be some combination of trace pollen wax esters and such working in Synergy. I do know Skeps are on the sides of the pyramids, so most of this is not "new" knowledge.

Cloverdale this statement is a stretch IMO "claims implying that pollen is such are not only highly unscientific, but are also unprofessional and potentially damaging to the reputation of the bee industry" I am not a bee professional, nor do I impact the bee industry. I am more like Greg grow/collect food stuff in the back yard for myself and friends and family. Hive products can and do make up a part of my families diet. Studies that uncover or cover claims are not likely to change what I do As I am doing what my family did for 4 generations. IMO the average American Diet is sad, I do not think adding hive products make it worse. FWIW My kids have "never" had antibiotics in their lives 10 yr and 12yr old their friends in school have some almost every year. Coincidence? could be, or may not be. Also 0 cavities for each. We also do raw milk and Colloidal Silver, and raw eggs, and bone broth, and other non standard not proven practices. Other parents freak out when I talk about it so now I just stand at the edge of the crowd and listen with a smile.
IMO you could chop up and eat the whole hive minus the metal , wood, bees brood, honey wax pollen and be fine. I see the bears to this same thing , My hive has never killed a bear.....Omnivore so are we. If I could just sleep all winter.........
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“Cloverdale this statement is a stretch IMO "claims implying that pollen is such are not only highly unscientific, but are also unprofessional and potentially damaging to the reputation of the bee industry" I am not a bee professional, nor do I impact the bee industry. I am more like Greg grow/collect food stuff in the back yard for myself and friends and family. Hive products can and do make up a part of my families diet. Studies that uncover or cover claims are not likely to change what I do As I am doing what my family did for 4 generations. IMO the average American Diet is sad, I do not think adding hive products make it worse. FWIW My kids have "never" had antibiotics in their lives 10 yr and 12yr old their friends in school have some almost every year. Coincidence? could be, or may not be. Also 0 cavities for each. We also do raw milk and Colloidal Silver, and raw eggs, and bone broth, and other non standard not proven practices. Other parents freak out when I talk about it so now I just stand at the edge of the crowd and listen with a smile.
IMO you could chop up and eat the whole hive minus the metal , wood, bees brood, honey wax pollen and be fine. I see the bears to this same thing , My hive has never killed a bear.....Omnivore so are we. If I could just sleep all winter.........
GG”
Thanks for responding! First I try and not anthropomorphise people and bees....I can’t seem to convey here that I am not arguing the benefits of the hive AT ALL! or disagree with it! What I am saying is there is so much BS out there, weird claims people come up with, that my finite mind needs a backup not just opinions, because everyone seems to differ in their circumstances and bees.
I do go to the reputable Honey Bee books for information and feel that the Hive and the Honey Bee, is a good one in addition to others. That statement was taken right from the book pg 708-709, and I wonder why it was put in there. No explanation for writing that, so again something to think about.
As for your diet you mentioned above, it’s nothing new, is it? Im happy there is such an awareness for healthy eating. That’s the way it was in my parents and grandparents time. Sweet potatoe farmers in South Jersey, along with beehives, and my great grandmother flapping up her dress in front of the hives so the bees would sting her ailing knees.( Doesn’t help my arthritis in my hands though). Wholesome food and milk. My son never had a cavity, he’s 39, and my daughter had a few. Oral hygiene helps a lot. I cant seem to keep up with my garden because I’m always doing bees somehow and I get tired; I try and buy organic but it’s so expensive, so I might try again if I can get the garden going. We have a very short season here. Thanks for the talk and experiences. :)
 

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Thanks for responding! First I try and not anthropomorphise people and bees....I can’t seem to convey here that I am not arguing the benefits of the hive AT ALL! or disagree with it! What I am saying is there is so much BS out there, weird claims people come up with, that my finite mind needs a backup not just opinions, because everyone seems to differ in their circumstances and bees.
I do go to the reputable Honey Bee books for information and feel that the Hive and the Honey Bee, is a good one in addition to others. That statement was taken right from the book pg 708-709, and I wonder why it was put in there. No explanation for writing that, so again something to think about.
As for your diet you mentioned above, it’s nothing new, is it? Im happy there is such an awareness for healthy eating. That’s the way it was in my parents and grandparents time. Sweet potatoe farmers in South Jersey, along with beehives, and my great grandmother flapping up her dress in front of the hives so the bees would sting her ailing knees.( Doesn’t help my arthritis in my hands though). Wholesome food and milk. My son never had a cavity, he’s 39, and my daughter had a few. Oral hygiene helps a lot. I cant seem to keep up with my garden because I’m always doing bees somehow and I get tired; I try and buy organic but it’s so expensive, so I might try again if I can get the garden going. We have a very short season here. Thanks for the talk and experiences. :)
Cloverdale, it is nice to know there are "Others" :) I called my dad who is still with us and asked him why they had bees got stung and ate most of the Hive products. Also asked if they had any books on bees. Answer was : We did it because when young Grand pa did it, and grandpa, inferent his grandpa did it. It just was. Also When I ,, 4 th generation, beekeeper bought the book "Hive and the Honey bee" in 78 or so it was the first bee book he was aware of in the whole family. he said they could not afford books. they did what others did and used trial and error. at the Time I recall him saying what? did you not trust what I told you? to go get a book. Keep in mind I am not sure how much he could read. I think at some level they story told and spoke and taught things to the offspring, in the time slots we now use to browse the net and watch TV. You likely paid attention or learned the hard way or perished. Odd,, I have access to 100s of books and the net and I am still looking, they had access to almost no books and no internet and never really looked for information like we do today. Some sort of culture shift I guess. Now we want proof from strangers, backup data to match our perception of things. Times are very different. Have a great day
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Speaking of propolis tincture....

Testimonials from the Russian forum (similar to BS): http://www.pchelovod.info
Exact post: http://www.pchelovod.info/index.php?showtopic=9471&view=findpost&p=176337

...propolis helped me twice...

Once I had stomach ulcer and nothing helped.
Then someone suggested propolis tincture before meals and when I was in pain.
I put 10-15 drops of the tincture on a half tea spoon of sugar and swallow.
The pain goes away in 5 minutes.
In about a month the ulcer was gone.

The second time it was worse - chronic bronchitis for few years eventually developed into asthma.
They said no good cure, just some maintenance is available.
Again propolis helped - I made an inhaler from a simple half-liter bottle and breathed with evaporated propolis tincture.
In about 1-2 weeks bronchitis and asthma were gone, as if never happen.
A cool tip from that same topic.
- combine about one pea of propolis with a chewing gum stick
- chew on it until you feel like spitting it all out ( 1-2-more hours? I don't know - probably when it is feels "used up")
Should help with most all colds and such.
Should stat as soon as you feel like getting cold (sore throat, etc).
 

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My two propolis mats arrived from Mann Lake yesterday. I already have a large bottle of 190 proof Everclear. BTW, in VA you need a special grain alcohol permit to purchase it. Looking forward to trying the tincture for myself. Scientifically proven or not, many home remedies have a basis of truth to their claims, especially the ones that have been around for thousands of years. Willow bark tea anyone?
 
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