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In 50 years among the Bees CC Miller used wood sticks also. He did not drill holes in the frames. He simply cut them just short the hight between the top and bottom bars, then to secure these by dipping them for bit in bees wax then someone put some pressure on a board and press the sticks into the foundation a bit. He used 5 or 6 of these 1/16 by 1/16 "splints" on each frame. I plan to try this useing the bamboo sticks.
 

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I checked out Kirks website, it looks like some good reading.
Thanks for sharing Michael.
Colino
 

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Ditto. Is Kirk Webster the guy that inspired Michael Palmer's nuc system?
Yes, and was pleasantly surprised when I got a overwintered nuc from Kirk and it was a ten frame hive packed full of bees and brood! That's the hive that turned me into a beekeeper and not a bee haver ! LOL
 

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I havn't did a search,But I'd like to get away from using as much foundation as I can.
My question is? I run shallow supers,My extractor has a speed control, If I was to go without foundation & cross wired,Would I sling it all to pieces?
I've always used full sheets in my supers, of the wired type.
 

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Start the extractor slowly and gradually speed it up as the weight of the honey decreases. It works for me, but I still occasionally get an exploding comb.
 

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I still haven't used them in an extractor yet. But if the comb is attached on the sides and bottom and over a year old, it seems to be as strong as wired comb.

These frames are great for making cut comb.

I've mainly been doing crush and strain with them and it's so much easier to clean up these frames compared with wired frames.
 

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Well I made up 80 frames yesterday using this method. I like it allot. Here what it look like:

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I used your suggestion of what Laurie does. I use 2.5 skewers per frames. Two for vertical support. I cut one skewer in half and I wedge it into the top groove to keep the starter strip in place. I also kept the tip pieces from the vertical supports when cut and used them to hold the outside of the starter strip. Zero waste from the skewers. You can see what I did here:

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For the starter strips I use a 1 3/8" top bar to cut them with a heavy duty pizza cutter. 100 sheets of wax foundation = 600 frames. I have 80-100 lbs of wax to mill into foundation @ 8 sheets per pound= 640 sheets. Cut into 6 strips per sheets should yield = 3,840 ish frames set up this way for next year. I've wired 1000's of frames this is a breath of fresh air for me. Thanks.
 

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Cool, looks good.

With the using the strip of foundation, I have one hive in particular that always leaves a vertical gap beside each of the skewers. (Which are great places for hiding queen cells!) So I have now gone to using a half sheet of foundation.

The foundation is cut in half vertically and placed in the frame centrally, so that it covers both of the skewers entirely. I just press the foundation lightly onto the skewers (as well as securing the top.)

This way the gaps are on each side of the frame, and if they are filled with drone comb then it's not such an issue when the frames are in the Broodnest.
 

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I have had almost 0 failure with foundationless (medium frame) comb in an extractor this year. I put a couple of elastics on new or otherwise fragile not attached comb. Start slowly. Doesn't take much speed to empty out most of the honey.
 

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Cheers mate, did you find any foundation falling off at all? Had a couple that I didn't use a 12v battery to embed into wire, so I just embedded with my thumb like you did, but they fell off in the hive.
 

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It has happen occasionally, but you can usually tell if it will come off.

I have in the past put a small lump of wax along the top or bottom bar right where there is a Skewer. To make sure the Foundation is secure between the lump of wax and the Skewer.

But if I make sure that the Foundation has moulded around the Bamboo Skewer, I don't have any problems.
 

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Foundation simply gives better results. As you can see in my first post I have been using starter strips for years, both wax and wood.

Foundation is definetly better as a starter strip than wood. You get sick of having to fix comb that is not straight or gets joined onto comb on another frame.

The frames with 3 Skewers is quite strong and I haven’t had any issues with extracting those frames.
 
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