I've notice that about you If you want to know the other site that is also having the same problems, what I do is try to get into one, when that one doesn't respond go to the other one, and try to get it, after a while I can read one while the other is loading. Now having worked in it, and having two sites, or more who knows, all having the same problem for this long, If I couldn't figure it out, I would have been fired, but then again I worked on main frames. There is absolutely no question, that since I get on at 4am eastern time and get lousy response time on either system, that they have little clue how to debug response time problems. now one of the first things I would start looking at, to go two entries deep onto this sight, my software say's I had 49 advertisement blocked on my session, now I know there is a cost, but 49 advertisements???Was just giving notice. When I really complain you will be able to tell the difference.