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New nuc with severe beetle infestation

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Hi all - I'm very (very!) new to beekeeping. I ordered a nuc back after Christmas and almost forgot about it. When I got the call that it was ready in the first week of May I scrambled to find a box and gear. A little snafu and my bees sat in the nuc box for a week. Eventually I got them transferred and that hive is as busy as it can be.

An old fellow who is nearby is selling off his old equipment and hives. He had some splits he made into plywood nuc boxes and I decided to purchase a pair.

I picked them up last Saturday (6 days ago) and got them home in the early evening. I opened the screens to the nucs and let the bees out - one nuc was much more active than the other and had significantly more bee activity.

On Sunday I noticed that the one nuc was like a ghost town, very few bees going in and out. I made the move and took the frames out and put them into the new deep box and much to my surprise I found a nice beetle infestation in the nuc box bottom.



I took care of the nuc box.



Of the 5 frames in the nuc, the middle 3 had brood and only a handful of bees on each frame. When I opened the nuc there were almost no bees on the tops of the frames, just those between the frames.



On Monday there were very few bees coming and going from this hive. Compared to the box next to it (from the other nuc from the same gentleman) the ratio of bee traffic was about 20:1.

By Tuesday the traffic from the box appeared to be more brisk and by Wednesday there was a steady amount of traffic coming from the hive. Compared to the other hive the bee ratio was now about 4:1 or 5:1. I was really impressed that so many bees could be born to grow the numbers. I went into the box again and found about 30 more larva that I removed and killed - I didn't see any beetles.

I speculated that new bees were born and replaced nurse bees who were then promoted to workers.

On Thursday, 5 days after the transfer I went into the box again and found 1 beetle and only about 8 or 10 larva.

I did a proper photo inventory of the hive photographing each frame front and back. Being so new to all of this its enough to keep from dropping the frames and getting them put back in the right order. This evening, in the comfort of my living room I've been able to compare photos from day 1 to day 5 and see the bees progress. Inside the frames I see a lot of lightly colored and a bit smaller bees whom I assume to be the newly hatched and promoted nurse bees. I see (in the photos) a lot of eggs, bee larva, and lots of changes in capped and uncapped brood cells.



And I found the queen - in the photos, didn't notice her when I had the box open.



I've since ordered some beetle traps (top frame and bottom box) and will continue to monitor. I was really worried that the bees had absconded and that the nuc would fail but it seems to be pulling out OK.

My question to the community: I know it is better to leave the bees alone as much as possible but in this case, would it be more advantageous for me to get in every few days and do some beetle culling? That I only found a few today is heartening and the bees didn't seem to be bothered too much by my visit. I've read many of the other posts here about beetles and it seems that an infestation can get going as quickly as a week - I'd like to keep these numbers down, at least until the traps arrive.

Thanks in advance for any advice or knowledge shared.
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Things can go downhill for you quickly. How many frames have brood? If it is two or three, Take some new frames , if you have them. Staple cardboard on one side of two. Remove the unused frames and freeze them for several days. Put the cardboard frames , one on each side of your bees and condense them into a smaller area that they can maintain better and re add frames as they grow. Let them police their area.
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That’s not a nuc that should have been sold.
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Do a search on that to do for beetles. Tons of posts. Look up murder sauce!
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Things can go downhill for you quickly. How many frames have brood? If it is two or three, Take some new frames , if you have them. Staple cardboard on one side of two. Remove the unused frames and freeze them for several days. Put the cardboard frames , one on each side of your bees and condense them into a smaller area that they can maintain better and re add frames as they grow. Let them police their area.
On the middle 3 frames, two have brood on both sides, one has brood on the inner side.

If I understand you correctly, pull any frames that don't have brood and freeze them? In this case, I have added new frames to fill the 10 frame box, should I remove the new frames or cardboard them over to fill the space? I wonder if those will just become beetle homes and I should just remove them? Any clarification is appreciated.

For reference, here are front and back photos of the 5 frames that came with the nuc:





2nd frame has the queen on the side of the frame that faces outwards:

















That’s not a nuc that should have been sold.
Agree completely! For now I have lemons, trying my best to make lemonade!
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Pull all frames, old or new that have no brood. Shake any bees on those frames on to the brood frames. Place the cardboard on both sides so your reducing down the space that they have to police. They can only handle the few with brood. With a smaller space to maintain temp and humidity with luck theyll build them selves up. When they need them add the old drawn frames one by one. You can also wall them in with one inch foam cut the size of a frame. One on each side. Called follower boards. I'd use the foam and a piece of clear vinyl draped across these few frames to help with the humidity.
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Making sure I understand: remove the two frames that have no brood and freeze them - I'm assuming to kill off any beetle eggs or larva?

And replace the space with cardboard stapled new frames and/or 1" foam board with the goal of condensing the hive to only the frames with brood and to remove air space that they won't need to regulate.

Please let me know if I 'don't' have that right - otherwise I'll run with that.
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Personally, I'd transfer them back to a nuc box as well, they need to have enough bees to patrol/control the beetles. Don't add the frozen frames back, until they are fully using the 3 that you kept, that had brood.
If your other nuc is doing well, would be worthwhile to shake a frame of bees to this box as well. They need the bee power to control beetles. Just make sure you find and don't shake in the other queen

I doubt the nuc was sold to you this weak, maybe it swarmed early on? That would explain the low population...but at least you have a mated queen
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Making sure I understand: remove the two frames that have no brood and freeze them - I'm assuming to kill off any beetle eggs or larva?

And replace the space with cardboard stapled new frames and/or 1" foam board with the goal of condensing the hive to only the frames with brood and to remove air space that they won't need to regulate.

Please let me know if I 'don't' have that right - otherwise I'll run with that.
Exactly. Condense the hive down to just the frames the bees are covering. That allows the small number of bees to police the hive properly and helps them control the beetles, as well as the temperature and humidity in the hive. Hopefully, in a week or two, after more bees have hatched, you can then expand the hive again. I'd probably be using a nuc box at this point.

It's better not to bother the bees much, but in a case like this I think did the right thing by pulling the frames out several times and clearing away the visible beetles. Sounds like you are doing a good job!
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It looks to me like they are dry and starving. Move them to a nuc and put a feeder on them. Population is so low they may not make it even then. If you have other hives that are strong enough to rob them, then give them a full frame of emerging brood as well.
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