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"...Neonicotinoid Insecticides in Wetlands of Canada." Paper in PLOSOne.

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Christy Morrissey is the ecotoxicologist who sounded the alarm on neonicotinoid contaminated wetlands in Canada:

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0092821
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Anytime you attach ECO to a word it loses all credibility. Makes you wonder who paid her to find what she says she found and who drew the conclusions. Not applauding the compound as I do not know enough about it. Just saying I do know enough about people attaching ECO to their credentials. They are corrupt almost always.
 
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Re: "...Neonicotinoid Insecticides in Wetlands of Canada." Paper in PLOSOne.

She's an environmental scientist.

I would characterize the numbers she's reporting as being at a background level.

Frankly, I was expecting that she had found much higher levels of neonics from all of the previous hubbub.
 
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From a beekeeping perspective, she would have to have detected neonic concentrations that were 1,000 to 10,000 times what she has found for anyone to be concerned.

While it may be a Canadian drinking water standards issue, I wouldn't call it a cause for concern for beekeepers.
 
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A toxicologist is someone who understands the effect that a substance and its metabolites can have on an organism. An ecotoxicologist is someone who understands the effects that a substance and its decomposition products can have on an ecosystem. Sure, I can see how some might use the "eco" to trump things up, but the field of study in this case is legit. Sometimes terminology does mean something.
 
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I would characterize the numbers she's reporting as being at a background level.
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What does a "background level of neonicotinoids" means? I would think since neonicotinoids do not occur naturally in the environment, there should be no "background level"?
 
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What does a "background level of neonicotinoids" means? I would think since neonicotinoids do not occur naturally in the environment, there is no "background level"?
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Agreed. And if we consider how quickly these molecules tend to break down when exposed to light, the levels detected are but the tip of the iceburg. It also suggests a chronic poisoning.
 
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the question still is,what are the sub lethal effects of neonic's on bees, humans and the rest of the environment?

"While it may be a Canadian drinking water standards issue" SO it its not good for humans but ok for bees or anything else?

The game plan for the suppliers of these pesticides seems to be , to bring new poisons on to the market quicker , thereby nobody sees the effects the older pesticides have been having in the long term.They are quick untested solutions...just my opinion
 
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Irwin, these neonic canola seed treatments replaced Counter-5-G. The effects of Counter-5-G had already been seen, the reason why they pulled that chemical off the market and replaced it with these Neonics. Pretty much all canola used over the last 15 or 20 years has been treated with clothianidin or thiamethoxam. I have only heard complaints about Neonic seed treated canola this past year or so.
So lets ban clothianidin and thiamethoxam canola seed treatments. Then I go on a broadcast spray campaign every spring, there will be no place to hide and the country side will be absolutely DEAD. With neonics I have animal life within my field rows.
 
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Sorry guys, but we all live in an ecosystem. This is not a made up word, but a scientific term.
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the point that was being made was "eco" has turned into one of those buzz words,
yesterday I bought some eco green toilet paper... what the heck does that mean???
 
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I was driving by a grass farm last week and saw a sign that stated, "eco turf for sale." i have no idea what eco turf is.

I'm a petroleum engineer, and I drilled several shallow wells and tested them for absolute flow capacity. It was done to procure a uranium mining permit. I signed and stamped my reports as a professional engineer, but the mining company listed me as an eco scientist in their brochures. Of course, their brochures were designed to promote investors, and I surmised that they thought eco scientist trumped professional engineer.

It is for sure a buzz word.
 
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