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Since I haven't been able to get the official notes from previous meeting, someone let me know that a meeting was going to be held and I attended and below is what I wrote down during the meeting. I also have some of the provided material and if I can figure out how to include it I will. I got to finally meet Mark and saw his Honey mobile.

this is my interpretation of what was discussed at today's meeting.

1. They discussed the cornell replacement for Nick Colderon. It was stated that an emergency situation in N.Y. would help to get something going in this area.

Ted elk said that there were 60-70% losses across usa.
Winters said they are seeing 20% loss of hives after apple pollination. They have young queens, low/no mites, nosema test, they are awaiting nosema results.
Doan: wants state land reopend to bees- pay state fees for use of land.
Cappy- in regard to state land if you rest bees after polination, loss drops from 50-100% to as low as 10%.
John Ryan- asked anyone have any hard fact/statistics?
Cappy - winter losses. they did work with commercial beeks about loss of colonies in the summer. 72.5 % died, found dead when they got to Florida.
"someone" said that they had reports from their network of commercial beeks to that effect.
John Ryan resolution to Cornell using the commercial data to do research on the problem.

2. They discussed the $50,000 grant for research for work done on bees for Cornell
Ted Elk- complained that the 50,000 wasn't enough, wants more, the maple syrup people get more and the beeks generate more money for the state than the Maple group.

Doan: said orange honey is going for 2.70 lb, this is a disaster.

They want to schedule a hearing in Albany about the problems.
They have a list of people to work on a committee to work on what should be done for research.
Doan recommended Mark be put on the committee as he is the ESHPA president, and they are the lead organization for N.Y.
they are submitting a document to Cornell with the list of names.

3. Farm Visibility Inst. (name may not be exact at first I thought it was Farm Liability inst.)

They were contacted by the Farm Visibility inst.
It was explained that this entity might be helpful financially as they may be able to get state money for research grants and project
and they do it as one lumps sum and then distribute it to the projects they find worthy.

4. Beekeepers questions.

Kutik submitted as he was in Main. Possible regulation requiring time and a half would be onerous for comm. beeks
Doan can't afford time and a half.
Comm. suggested that they contact the Farm bureau as it has a labor committee.

Kutik- don't mow roadsides, plant bee forage instead. It''s a waste of fossil fuels and promotes global warming.

It was stated that this year the Adirondacks will not be mowed until late in the year.

Comm. said he would talk to the DOT and DEC about it at their next meeting.

Doan- wants the Dec to get more bear fences as each region only has one fence and there is too much competition for the fence.
also would like the DEC to tell how many bears are in each area.

Ted Elk- addressed Imitation honey in honey bear is being sold. Syrup should shouldn't bee sold in honey bears

Comm- will look into this.

Item d on the list. Wilson- looking to get the inspection of all beekeepers in N.Y. found the help from the inspectors was excellent.
Earl- said the Bee Wellness was addressing how to diagnose AFB, but what enforcement is in place, who destroyers the colony.
said restart the bee inspection program.

Ryan- what would be the cost of the program with 10-12 inspectors and 1/3 of the bees tested.

Cappy- said Maryland uses a dog in the winter that will mark the hives(not sure how it marks the hives:) ) and will do 100% of the apiary.


Cappy- since most Comm. beeks start out as backyard beeks, that no inspections is hurting growth of beeks going tobecome commercial beeks.

person I didn't write name down said: get the farmers from apples and vine crops to ask for reinstating inspections of bee hives.

Link- suggested ask the beeks to vote if they want inspections at all or make it optional.

Comm.- said priority would be 1. train new beeks 2 Farm Viability- project how bad is AFB in N.Y.

new topic:

Doan said the Canadians are looking at opening the borders, he doesn't thing its a good idea, due to hives coming into the usa because they import bees from Australia and they have a new mite.

comm- will put it on his discussions with the usda.

Doan- would expect with all the hives coming into N.Y. and the inspection program coming back that we would need Mandatory Registration of
apiaries. The "all" the hives coming into N.Y. was a reference to Mendes a commercial beek that is apparently moving or going to move many hives into norther N.Y.

Ted Elk- said Possession of the area is being there first.

Comm.- said he would look at opening state land to N.Y. beeks
and how to protect beeks areas.

LUNCH: I will admit I ate a half a sandwich may have been paid with state funds, please don't hold it against me. It was ok.

Cappy did an analysis of bee loses over the last few years(I didn't have a packet available so don't have the info provided)

Doan- said neonics are the problem. He sited studies/papers that have not been published or made available to others for reading.
There was a length discussion between Doan, Cappy, and the representative for the apple people about sprays and residual data in plants.
two pesticides mentioned were asail(sp) and Calypso(sp) which I assume are neonics, the apple grower said he only applies after the bees are gone but do to Doans information about residuals he is wondering how much is left in the tree.

cappy said the following year that the dandelions would pick up the residual and be available for the bees.

Doan- says that fluvalinate and coumaphos that are showing up in the pollen samples(trapped coming into the hive) are coming from the pesticide manufacturers and being added to apple sprays as inert ingredient to make the spray more effective(inerts do not have to show on the label and are not tested) so they haven't been able to find out which sprays include these chemicals.

Cappy talked about the Lu harvard neonic studies and said these studies were a good example of how directly feeding more neonics to bees than the label allows shows the same symptoms in the hives when they die as ccd does. My comment here" most researches find these studies junk as feeding pesticides to bees will naturally kill bees, a flawed study at best" but as a guest I couldn't comment.

person saying I forgot to write name: said that neonics usage is 8x higher in a landscaping/nurseries environment and someone is looking at addressing this.

since I don't do short hand and got distracted a few times, this is what I wrote down and heard. Some comments have been left out, names may be misspelled or incomplete as I only could see half the name plates.

I asked during lunch of Steve Wilson if he could post when and where the meetings will be held.He said that has been and is still a problem and he will see what is available.
 

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And I got to meet Mike. Someone at the meeting asked me if we were brothers. So if you want to see what Mike looks like look at my photo in the eshpa newsletter and squint. :pinch:
 

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> Cappy talked about the Lu harvard neonic studies and said these studies were a good example of how directly feeding more neonics to bees than the label allows shows the same symptoms in the hives when they die as ccd does.

You must be joking! Those studies aren't a good example of anything
 

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thank you wild. there is more information contained in your notes than in any meeting minutes I have read!

that failed HIVE Act legislation alluded to some type of a "reporting" system and Doan's comment confirmed it.
much of it based, it seems, on his personal business issues. neonics ring a bell?

thanks again wild
 

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In my opinion a lot of these second generation beekeepers have been set up by their parents' hard work over many decades. Now that the parents are old and can's support them the way they want to be supported, they are looking for government hand outs to fill the gap. Of course, it's the government and by extension you and I, who caused all their problems. (If you believe that, you'll believe all the rest of their paranoid scenarios)
 

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Can anyone provide any data about this comment?
Doan- says that fluvalinate and coumaphos that are showing up in the pollen samples(trapped coming into the hive) are coming from the pesticide manufacturers and being added to apple sprays as inert ingredient to make the spray more effective(inerts do not have to show on the label and are not tested) so they haven't been able to find out which sprays include these chemicals.
 

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Fluvalinate is an orchard spray, it's hardly an inert ingredient though I have no idea what the label allows as far as treatment windows. Coumaphous, on the other hand, is intended for use in livestock tick control. Again, hardly an inert ingredient. I can't imagine any scenario where it might be present in an orchard spray.
 

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Perhaps it is inert as a fungicide?
 

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Can anyone provide any data about this comment?
This is the theory as I understand it based somewhat on the fact that the beekeepers that had pesticide laden pollen
samples had not used Checkmite or Apistan in well over 15 years, therefore, where could the choumaphas and fluvalinate laden pollen come from?

Pollen samples taken from a couple of my hives while in SC in March of 2013 showed chumouphas and chumouphas oxon in relatively newly gathered stored pollen. Where did that come from? I don't know. I can only imagine.

One thing about the NHBS pollen sampling is that the sampling was very small. Pollen was taken from a very small number of hives.
 

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Re: new york AIAC Mtng notes for the meeting on 6/19/2014

Can anyone provide any data about this comment?
my only comment is I got that one almost word for word, especially as people keep finding high levels of it in hives. His statement was because it wasn't an active ingredient in what ever spray's were being used, the chemical co. was adding it as an inert ingredient to enhance the active ingredient. It was my assessment that this was how they were trying to
make a case for it being an emergency to get cornell to do something. I didn't see and hard facts used in making the case.
 

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As an adjuvant I believe. That is the suspicion anyway.
 

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since we have a lot of N.Y. beeks on here, anyone think it would be a good idea to set up a couple of threads as a pole to see if beeks really want #1 bee inspection
#2 apiary registration #3 the border with canada open? and no matter what the results of the pole, who to give the information to that would matter?

some things that I do find disturbing about the meeting. #1 the same people that went to the farm bureau a few years ago to get apiary registration removed by going through the farm bureau suddenly see someone moving into there area and want it back. #2 the bee wellness program(if it had some new funding) seems like a better way to get more people in the field at a lower cost to keep diseases down and train people to recognize diseases. Only thing that would help now is a list of people that have been trained so you can refer people with disease questions to the trained people.
#3 as far as opening the borders, from what has been said on beesource the Canadians are only looking to bring packages back(please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I'm used to it my wife does it all the time.
:shhhh:) But since Mr doan said that the Comm. beeks were on the brink of not being able to supply enough pollinate to the people that need due to loses, I'm sure for the correct price the Canadians would like to help. I can't imagine that they would be looking to come down for honey production as they get more per hive than we do.
 

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since we have a lot of N.Y. beeks on here, anyone think it would be a good idea to set up a couple of threads as a pole to see if beeks really want #1 bee inspection
#2 apiary registration #3 the border with canada open? and no matter what the results of the pole, who to give the information to that would matter?

But since Mr doan said that the Comm. beeks were on the brink of not being able to supply enough pollinate to the people that need due to loses, I'm sure for the correct price the Canadians would like to help. I can't imagine that they would be looking to come down for honey production as they get more per hive than we do.
That would be a poll, Mike. Mandatory apiary registration was instituted without beekeeper input and a huge effort was mounted to repeal it. Why would anyone suggest repeating that expensive and time consuming debacle? Bee inspection as carried out by the state was inadequate at best; basically a waste of hundreds of thousands of dollars of our money. The Canadian border is a Canadian issue, they closed it. If they bring bees here, they can't take them back.

As far as adequate pollination goes, there is a very comprehensive study done by Prof Calderone on the topic. People said back in the 1960s if bees kept declining we would not have adequate pollination. That's when there were still 5 million hives. Now, at half that many, where is there problem? I estimate the actual need for bees at around one million colonies, based on fruit acreage in the USA. This does not count almonds, but the bee shortage in almonds is a problem they created.
 

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Has anyone heard of or does anyone know someone who needed bees to pollinate their crop(s) but couldn't get them? I may be way out in left field, but, seems like where there is a void it gets filled. I took bees to a part of NY I only did once before in 20 years. Almost all of my hives were in paid pollination this year.

And who can tell me how much pollination is provided to NY growers by NYers and how much is provided by beekeepers who bring bees in and then leave the State? And how many bring bees in for pollination and stay in NY for a honey crop?
 

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As far as adequate pollination goes, there is a very comprehensive study done by Prof Calderone on the topic. People said back in the 1960s if bees kept declining we would not have adequate pollination. That's when there were still 5 million hives. Now, at half that many, where is there problem? I estimate the actual need for bees at around one million colonies, based on fruit acreage in the USA. This does not count almonds, but the bee shortage in almonds is a problem they created.
But what about NY specifically? How many colonies are needed? When? For how long? How many do multiple pollinations w/in NY?
 

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How many colonies are needed? When? For how long?
Nobody knows, but researchers at Cornell have interviewed apple growers that don't rent bees and they get adequate fruit set. There are probably enough bees in the area to set fruit without renting them, but nobody wants to take a chance. For fruit growers, the bees are cheap enough they rent them just because they always have.
 

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Fluvalinate is an orchard spray........Coumaphous, on the other hand, is intended for use in livestock tick control........ I can't imagine any scenario where it might be present in an orchard spray.
Could sheep dip on a shop towel provide the source for contamination in a hive like this?
 
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