They like having a wax coat on the plastic. Also feed heavy. It helps if the don't have to much space also.
Indeed. But if that's the only thing they have, then they will use it. They are reluctant to start building on them, but once they have, this deterrence is pretty much gone. It helps to squeeze one here and there between drawn frames.Bees will only touch plastic foundation if its the only thing they have left to work with. They prefer to work foundationless, but if they dont have that, they will start foundation. Plastic is a last resort for them.
IMHO 100+!The waxed plastic ones I don't even want to talk about but I will say they give beatles and wax moths a good place to hide. Just my opinion.
Those frames likely came wax coated, which you washed off with the hot water. Plastic without a wax coating isn't likely to get much attention from the bees. With the wax coating, they work it just fine. I got tired of reading all the various somewhat charged opinions on frames, foundation, etc. My goal, minimize the work for me, and the way to do that is not bother with fiddly bits assembling frames, just take plastic out of the box and put it in the colony. So I decided to ask my bees if they have a strong preference. I took a 'fresh out of the box' Mann Lake PF-100 frame, and fixed it up like this:-The frames that I washed with hot water and removed everything off of, they will not touch. Any suggestions?:scratch:
Feel free.Grozzie2 - great experiment. Mind if i reference it and use your pictures on our club website?
Plastic frames are just fine, provided conditions are good. My other suspicion is, when conditions are not good for getting frames drawn, it wont matter what kind I put in the colony, none will get drawn.
I have found that flow and population are critical to success. If frames go in towards the end of the flow, the bees will remove all wax from the undrawn parts of the frame, which will make it nearly impossible to get it fully drawn unless you go to the effort to recoat with wax and give back during a good natural or man-made flow.Ido not get done by the end of the flow they stay half drawn for the last 3 years. The frames that I painted years ago, no go.
how about that, kind of wants you to consider foundationless. that is one of the reasons foundation came into use as a management tool years and years ago. or if you really wanted this you can get a whole lot of plastic drone frames.grozzie2... Did you note that a tremendous number of the cells drawn out in your experiment, (last photo) (foundationless side), appear to be drone cells, whereas the ones on the plastic side are all brood size cells?