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Hello,

What are the levels of mite when doing a drop count... 24hr or even 3 day
like if you were to put it on a chart or a scale...
That way you could put it on a graph and watch the pregreasion up or down....????

Example:

Red = xx mites - Emergancy levels, Where you "have to" do something extream or the hive "will" crash....
Yellow = xx mites - "If" you dont do something the levels will go to the emergancy level but the hive is still treatable....
Green = xx mites - OK... but use a treatment to keep up with mite's....
Blue = xx mites - You can stick them on a flow and go on vacation for 3 or 4 weeks.... not even thinking about them....
 

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Your looking for an acurate mite drop in a 24 hour period, 3 day totals are better because they give a better indication of 24 hour mite drop, than just a single 24 hour count would. But i'm not real sure of what your question here is, you may want to clairify so we can better comment on your query.
 

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I guess what I mean is, at what mite count do you say you have a ok hive.... then the next level up would be, then the next level.... on up to where your mite count would just be impossable to control....

I used colors that I am going to make a chart with and plot the drop count over time...
I did not know what setpoints to make the colors for the diff levels of mite count...
 

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Based on 3 day mite counts:


0=perfect, go on vacation
2-3=some concern, but no real worries yet.
10-20=better treat soon.
21-70=treat now.
100+ hive is in serious shape, may not survive.
200+ hive is doomed.
 

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>I am going to make a chart with and plot the drop count over time...

That an EXCELLENT idea!!!

Why didnt I think of that?
 

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Hey Dave,

I've been working on some software to keep records on my hives

http://www.drobbins.net/bee's/honeyjar.html

you gotta have a current version of java to use it
leave the password empty and login
open "Locations" then open "drobbins" then open "h1"
go to the right bottom and click on the "Mites" tab
it plots the mite counts from all the "inspections"
I call it the "DaveW Feature"

you were the inspiration for it
I have another version that runs as a standalone app on your computer rather than over the web
(the web version will probably run slow for ya, the stand alone version is fast)
let me finish the Drag and Drop feature that let's you drag a hive from one yard to another and I'll give a copy to anybody who wants one

Dave

[ August 14, 2006, 04:40 PM: Message edited by: drobbins ]
 

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drobbins . . .

Only 24 mites on 6/16/06?
Why did count decrease?

Great work! (buy anything w/ "Dave" on it looks good
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You need MORE BEES, you have waaaay too much spare time!
 

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drobbins . . .

Only 24 mites on 6/16/06?
Why did count decrease?

Great work! (but anything w/ "Dave" on it looks good
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You need MORE BEES, you have waaaay too much spare time!
 

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DaveW

those numbers are not really very acurate
I put them in to kinda demo how it works
the hive did in fact have around 25/day in the middle of that period
did you see the notes above?
click on the different "inspections"
the things with the eyeball icon in the tree view
and you'll see my notes for each inspection above the graph
2 weeks after putting in the apiguard the count was much lower
funny thing is I never saw a big mite fall
they just kinda went away
thymol is kinda stinky, maybe they absconded

anyway, I just wanted to throw that out there for comments
I have the tree view on the left workin pretty good
you can create "locations" or bee yards
in each location you create "hives"
then for each hive you create "inspections"
and for each inspection you fill in data about that visit in the tabs on the right side
so far the only tab with any numerical data is the one for mites
in the others you can enter free form comments
Chef Issac is sending me a spreedsheet he uses for expenses and I'm going to see about building some logic into the "expense" node of the tree
the reports node lets you run queries against the database if you know how (I do)
I even think I'm gonna put a trashcan at the bottom you can throw a hive in when it dies to make the Mac users happy

mess around with it
that's not real data
change stuff if you want
I'm lookin for feedback
a lot of this came from a thread last winter about what people wanted in beekeeping software

Dave
 

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Would it make sense to have some kind of seasonal "factor" to multiply the counts by in order to use the same graph and levels thoughout the year.

For example, if I find 10 mites in September, I'll keep a close eye on the trends and may not immediately treat if that number holds steady. However if I found the same count of 10 in the month of, let's say, March... that would dramatically raise my concern and prompt me to treat as soon as possible.

Maybe use the Autumn months as the baseline. Then take your counts and multiply....

Feb - Mar X 3
Apr - May X 2
Jun - Jul X 1.5

etc.

Just a crazy thought
 

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No, No
a very good thought
the graph thing is very underdeveloped
for example it you do three inspections and the middle one you don't count mites, it will plot the first and last data point and a zero in the middle
obviously it should compute an average for that case
just haven't gotten a round tuit
at this point I'm working on getting data into the datbase, cool displays of the data is next
but good ideas of what would be nice help with getting the design of the database nailed
we also need to figure out how to collect some other numerical data
freeform comments are nice but down the road if you collect numerical data you can do things like ask the database to shown me all the hives from this time range that were treated this way that behaved that way
you can't do that with freeform comments
so far I've been working on the tree control so you can build your apiary
different locations
different hives
different inspections of those hives
that part is coming together
next will be what data to collect for those inspections
then how to display it
it won't happen over night
but it's getting close to where it will be useable to start collecting data
click on the setup node
then right click to open the window
see the radio buttons for each of the tabs in the data entry thingy
let's say you don't give a hoot about mites cause you live in the "magical land of no mites"
just turn that tab off
go back and look at a hive
it's gone
that way I can add lots of functionality and individual beeks can turn on or off the features they want
I'm tired of typing english, I'm gonna go write some code

I like this saying

in a software project, writing the first 90% of the code takes 90% of the time
writing the last 10% of the code takes 90% of the time
and fixing the bugs at the end takes 90% of the time

sounds funny but the folks out there who write software ain't laughin


keep the ideas coming

oh, if you turn some tabs off, turn em back on for the next guy
you're all using the same account

Dave

[ August 15, 2006, 06:58 PM: Message edited by: drobbins ]
 
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