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Are beekeepers required to carry log books? I know if your within 150 from home you don't but are there any special rules for keepers.

One other thing, do keepers have to have a "us dot # " if they travel in another state ?
 

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Beekeepers are exempt frommedical cards/log books IF you are hauling your own bees inseasonal transportation according to Dot rules. You may have to educate the DOT guy...alot dont know.
 

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I believe any truck with a GVW over 10,000 lbs going across state lines is required to have a DOT number, they are easy and free to get .
 

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Right, a DOT Number. But a log book? I don't carry one filled out. If I ever get stopped and asked if I have a log book I will ask if I am required to have one and have it filled out. If the answer is yes, then I will get it out and fill it out.

I have a friend who has a much larger truck than mine, I think his carries 20,000 lbs. He didn't have a log book, but he did have receipts from the motel where he spent the night including check out time, and he had fuel receipts. W/ those time stamped items the DOT guy let him go w/out a ticket.
 

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Part 391.2: General exemptions.
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§391.2 General exemptions. (a) Farm custom operation. The rules in this part do not apply to a driver who drives a commercial motor vehicle controlled and operated by a person engaged in custom-harvesting operations, if the commercial motor vehicle is used to—

(a)(1) Transport farm machinery, supplies, or both, to or from a farm for custom-harvesting operations on a farm; or

(a)(2) Transport custom-harvested crops to storage or market.

(b) Apiarian industries. The rules in this part do not apply to a driver who is operating a commercial motor vehicle controlled and operated by a beekeeper engaged in the seasonal transportation of bees.
 

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SB, so does that mean we as beekeepers are not requided to have & keep a log book?

Sorry for many questions.
 

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A while back I thought about this a good bit. Even discussed it with some DOT officials. The best I could determine the key is that word "Part" As in "The rules in this part do not apply" - now what is a part? The whole number 391? - or perhaps the decimal.... seems like I gave up at this point.
 

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I drive my 18 wheeler from MI to GA to CA to FL and back to MI several times a year with every thing from bees to flatbeds on the back. I have just started carrying a log book because it is alot easier than trying to educate a bunch of over paid gun toting hillbillies. I never used to and I have never gotten a ticket for it. When I go from GA to CA I do go WAY over the law on hours but I've never had an officer worry about it. 90% of the time if I get pulled off they're usually pissed about something else. The law does not say that you have to be hauling bees. The law says " engaged in the seasonal transportation" so when I"m back hauling or hauling flatbeds bobcats etc. I'm still "engaged ".
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well, I looked under the sub section's of 391 it did not describe log books so it looks like were required.
 

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I find it odd that there would be an exemption on log books for any reason. Log books are there to prevent drivers from accumulating too many hours on the road and keeping idiot car drivers from getting killed by "too tired" truck drivers when the idiot car drivers pull in front of a truck, using no turn signal for lane change, then hit the brakes realizing there wasn't enough space for them in the first place, or to answer a call on their cell phones.

Don't get me wrong, I know plenty of 'cowboy' truck drivers who give the rest of us who actually care about our jobs a bad name. but I am just about tired of truck drivers taking all the blame for morons in cars who are too impatient or just plain too dumb to be on the road.

"local" driving in comm trucks of less than 100 miles radius of home terminal does not require log book to be kept. At least that's how it works here.



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i am pretty sure that you need a log book i could not find where it said that the log book was exempt. had two friends this year pulled over in a 350 and 450 dodge and get tickets for no log books. if you can find the spot that it says they are exempt i would be interested.
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We have been keeping log books anytime we go out of state (in a 350) for the past 25 years or so, ever since John was shook down in MS on a package trip. They basically made him "sleep" for 8 hours and told him his next stop better be to buy one. Lucky it was on the way down, not after he had the load on. If there had been bees on that truck and trailer, they would have cooked!

While it would be great not to have to keep a logbook, until the laws clearly show we don't need one, we will continue.
We also have UCR and DOT numbers.
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Hauling mean bees works

Last scales we went across the DOT guys beat themselves half to death and then waved us through. Few holes in the screen and mean bees coming out of a hot desert in June and we don't need no stinkin log book.

yeeeee.........hawwwwww
 

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I run from Ky to Fl to Wi and do not keep a log book....been pulled over numerous times, oops beekeeper not required is the responce....A few times I have had to educate them. I run using a dually with 14k trailer or 24k goooseneck or freightliner with weight up to 54k. I have a beekeeper friend who is running a full semi with no DOT/ifta or log book. He has a letter andprint out of rules...been stopped numerous times and hen told to go on.
 

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Re: Hauling mean bees works

mean bees coming out of a hot desert in June and we don't need no stinkin log book.

yeeeee.........hawwwwww
Just remember, your only loaded half the time, what happens when your coming back through emty? :) They may just say, "you need a stinkin log book. :)
 

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As an OTR owner/operator, I would say if you are transporting anything in a comercial sense, and crossing state lines, it would probably be better in the long run to just fill out the logbook. It's really not that hard, lol.

Also, with all the new DOT regulations going into effect, and the government's new "pet project" CSA2010 coming online, things are going to change drastically in any kind of transportation venture. What worked for people in the past, and what you "got away with" is not going to work now. Enforcement in the name of safety is being stepped up nationwide, and anything that is not quite up to par with your vehicles and driving status is going to be looked at much harder from now on. Don't give them an excuse to hassle you, lol. Do the medical card if needed, get your vehicles inspected, and fill out the logs.

In my state, the rule for commercial carriers reads: Within 100 miles of home terminal, NOT crossed any state lines, and NOT under any form of dispatch, doesn't need a logbook. The way I read the previous posts, if you are hauling only your own bees, you might not need a log, but for me, once I leave home to pick up any kind of load, I do.
 

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I run from Ky to Fl to Wi and do not keep a log book....been pulled over numerous times, oops beekeeper not required is the responce....A few times I have had to educate them. I run using a dually with 14k trailer or 24k goooseneck or freightliner with weight up to 54k. I have a beekeeper friend who is running a full semi with no DOT/ifta or log book. He has a letter andprint out of rules...been stopped numerous times and hen told to go on.
Id like a copy of that letter, North Carolina has started to come down HARD on
"us little people" they say we have skirted around the law for years
 

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Re: Hauling mean bees works

Last scales we went across the DOT guys beat themselves half to death and then waved us through. Few holes in the screen and mean bees coming out of a hot desert in June and we don't need no stinkin log book.

yeeeee.........hawwwwww
But Liability Insurance. That you need. Right?
 
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