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EDIT. 2nd set of pics, There should be a queen now in the queenless hive. If it seems to be obvious to you write out your reasonin if you want. I still can't tell and wont be i the hive till next Sunday to make sure

Thought this would be funny since I have heard people saying that they can tell by the wings on the bees at the entrance.
I will post 2 photos taken this morning. One hive is Queen-less and the other is Queen-Right.
June 24th, also at 5:15am more pics with flash, you all are lucky they are nice bees

ANSWER WILL BE POSTED TONIGHT (wed)

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I would only venture a guess that the one with more bees is queenright just because there's more bees, but otherwise I couldn't tell from how the bees look...
 

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I voted 2 because everyone knows that when a hive becomes queenless the bees paint a circular white dot over the entrance. Once queenright, she comes out and paints over it with a black square.
 

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I would vote #2 also just because there appear to be more bees hanging around with nothing to do. Queenless colonies seem to lose a little motivation.
 

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If you want us to tell by looking at the wings you need to give us a clearer picture.
That's about as close as I could get at 5:15am without pissing someone off. Would be pretty embarrassing to walk into work in my scrubs with a stung face 😂
 

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Looks like bees in #2 are washboarding and in #1 more of a cluster. I guess #1 is queenless.
I don't know... Why would they cluster if they have nothing to cluster around? I agree with other posters that #2 is queenless as they seem less organized, facing every way.
 

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I voted one because what self-respecting woman wants to live in a house with knotty wood.
 

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I voted one because what self-respecting woman wants to live in a house with knotty wood.
I like knotty wood on some things, plus I'm cheap- ya i know what woman Ever says that
I will post another picture, again taken this morning at 5:15 am

They both seem the same to me which is why I thought this would be fun.
 

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ANSWER *******************

#1, black Rectangle is the Queen-less one

the white circle is the original queen.
Thanks for playing :)
 

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Which basically confirmed - no visual clue really can tell which is which.
Especially so if the queen-less hive is not really feeling it is queen-less - i.e. it is in a process of making the new queen or having some queen substitute in place.
 

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Had me fooled. Might have helped if the pi,ctures had more resolution, but maybe not. I do not look at wings so much as hive behavior which is difficult to capture in a still shot.
 

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I was going to do a video but by the time i get home from work, 3:15 pm, they are all doing their " let's all fly around the entrance to freak out Linda " thing.
And i only have a cell phone so pics/video are not perfect.

I too wondered if having QC makes a difference, but honestly they were even more calm a day after the split just doing what they normally do.
I tried to listen for the roaring sound but they didnt seem too much louder that was noticable either.

I can post pics from right after the split if anyonewants to see but they are not close ups.
 
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