Beesource Beekeeping Forums banner

1 - 15 of 15 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
306 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
OK guys, I’m so ticked off at myself. I made a HUGE mistake and I deserve any verbal abuse that I get. I went to a hive on my hunting lease last night to apply the last round of oxalic acid vaporization. That’s when I noticed the towel still sealing the door of the hive from the second round of treatment I did 7 DAYS AGO. I yanked the towel out of the door and dug out a pile of dead bees from the bottom of the hive. I briefly opened the hive and a large majority of the bees were still alive and well. I just hope the queen made it. Temps have ranged from 70 to 90 - no bueno. I do have a screened bottom board so that may have prevented total loss.

I will give them a few days and report back. The moral of the story is don’t be an idiot. Also it’s good not to get into too much of a hurry.

Ryan
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
957 Posts
OK guys, I’m so ticked off at myself. I made a HUGE mistake and I deserve any verbal abuse that I get. I went to a hive on my hunting lease last night to apply the last round of oxalic acid vaporization. That’s when I noticed the towel still sealing the door of the hive from the second round of treatment I did 7 DAYS AGO. I yanked the towel out of the door and dug out a pile of dead bees from the bottom of the hive. I briefly opened the hive and a large majority of the bees were still alive and well. I just hope the queen made it. Temps have ranged from 70 to 90 - no bueno. I do have a screened bottom board so that may have prevented total loss.

I will give them a few days and report back. The moral of the story is don’t be an idiot. Also it’s good not to get into too much of a hurry.

Ryan
How far open was the SBB?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,265 Posts
In this busy world in which we live, distraction is not uncommon. The surprise at seeing the rag still stuffed in the entrance and the thought of the worst case scenario likely made quite an impression on you. So much so, that it is a mistake you will probably never repeat.

I'll bet your Queen is alright.

Alex
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,971 Posts
That’s when I noticed the towel still sealing the door of the hive from the second round of treatment I did 7 DAYS AGO.....Ryan
Use painters tape instead.
The bees will chew through and free themselves - no problems.
Tape them in; optionally make 1-2 little slits with a knife (to help bees just a little - and yet still sealed in); go about your business.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,558 Posts
If the screened bottom was open it would seem to not be a case of asphxiation but rather high temperatures because of crowding and workers not being able to haul water for evaporative cooling.

In such a situation would the queen be more or less likely to survive compared to other classes of bees? Would she have greater or diminished tolerance?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
306 Posts
Discussion Starter · #6 ·
So I had slid in a mite board to do a mite count (which I didn’t do), so the SBB was closed, but not sealed completely if that makes sense.
 

·
Premium Member
Aylett, VA 10-frame double deep Langstroth
Joined
·
6,888 Posts
Ouch! Hope it all works out well. Chances are the bees did their very best to protect the queen, so bees still alive in the hive would make me believe the queen was still ok. Wishful thinking? Perhaps.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,054 Posts
We all do things like that. I feel the same way when I do it, but stop kicking yourself. Hope it works out. J
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
11,645 Posts
You were lucky indeed. Very surprised they survived, even with the SBB, as dead bees will often clog it.
 

·
Registered
6a 4th yr 7 colonies inc. resource hive
Joined
·
635 Posts
Anyone who has the courage to admit a mistake is a credit to his bees. No doubt you've done countless other things that kept them in good health. After reading this I did another round of OAV and left an inspection board in one hive. (Yes, the pan went under and almost melted a circle in it)

None of us start out wanting to make mistakes. But that's what makes us human. And I'll take that over perfection any day of the week.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
306 Posts
Discussion Starter · #11 ·
Friends - many thanks for the advice and encouragement. Out of town now but I will update once I get back and do a quick check. More to come...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
914 Posts
I commonly use a wet rag (one quarter of an old sock) to block both the upper and lower entrances. I think that Greg's suggestion of using a piece of painter's tape with a knife slit is an excellent idea and suggest that we should all adopt that as the standard approach. It is definitely a fail-safe approach.

Cheers,
Steve
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,971 Posts
I commonly use a wet rag (one quarter of an old sock) to block both the upper and lower entrances. I think that Greg's suggestion of using a piece of painter's tape with a knife slit is an excellent idea and suggest that we should all adopt that as the standard approach. It is definitely a fail-safe approach.

Cheers,
Steve
Anymore I tape them in right and left, and don't look back.
If a hive is strong, I may double-triple-quadruple the tape - to slow them down.
Double is fine most all uses - will keep them busy.
Also using toilet paper plugs (but works best with my style entrances - the round ones).
Adjust to your needs; adjust for a slit-entrances as needed.
Carry a roll of the tape with you at all times.

Another good use-case - robbing.
If a hive under attack - I immediately plug/tape them in.

This does two good things:
- immediately stops the robber traffic - cold
- attracts and focuses the residents on unplugging themselves at one single point (from BOTH ends - inside and outside);

Plugs/tape in turn creates a pile of the residents in one place AND they over-whelm any robbers at that spot - a very good thing;
They normally will focus at the knife slit point as the weakest point - they concentrated where they sense a small air lick.
You, effectively, create a large detachment of the entrance guards to kick the robbers out - otherwise, there are not many guards in smaller hives.
The returning foragers pile up at a single point of entry from the outside and quickly overwhelm the robbers (otherwise the forages dispersed - then the robbers win out).
The residents are also irritated by an obstacle and, thus, throw away any robbers with increased energy - they are pissed off until they unplug the hive to restore the traffic.
Works great in absence of robbing screens.

Sort of like so (these are smaller cases - plugged in proactively - not a big bee piles):
20190925_163954.jpg
20190925_174140.jpg
20190925_163934.jpg
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
473 Posts
I don't close the entrances at all for OAV. In fact, I treat from the entrance. One less thing to do. I do have the entrance reducers in place before OAV.
 
1 - 15 of 15 Posts
Top