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Hello,

I read some posts over the past few days that seemed to indicate that soy products weren't good for bees. Unfortunately, the forum search won't let me use three letter search terms to find them again.

Can someone point to any information on whether soy is good or bad for bees, and whether things like Mega-Bee, Bee-Pro, HBH, etc., have soy in them?

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Expeller processed de-fatted soy flour is a good protien substitute, especially if mixed with brewer's yeast and dry milk powder. However, feeding protein is a controversial subject, and many people seem to think it makes sub-standard bees.

My feeling is that any edible protein source is better than letting them die from protein starvation, so I feed protein if I think they need it, particularly in the fall if I don't see lots of pollen going in. I use MegBee -- any of the commercial "balanced" products is better than mixing your own from soy flour as they have added amino acids. The bees usually store it like pollen and ferment it, which produces the sterols they need from natural pollen.

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Just remember that about 40% of the sugars in soybeans are toxic to bees, which is why they must be cut 50:50 with sucrose. This is why I don't include soy in my feed and use brewers yeast instead.

Check out THIS link from the Resource Section for a list of sugars that bees cannot use or are toxic to bees. I believe there is a lot more detail on the subject on Randy Oliver's site, www.scientificbeekeeping.com .

HTH

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While the vBulletin forum 'search' box that Beesource offers on many forum pages does not allow search for terms of 3 letters or less, one can use the Google Custom Search on the left side of the Beesource home page to avoid this restriction.

That search feature works fine for searches involving 'soy'. Also, the home page search engine encompasses ALL of Beesource, whereas the vBulletin search only searches discussion forum pages. There is a lot of Beesource content that is not within the forum itself.

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Soy is high in protein and amino acids, that why it is used in most subs.

Here are some pollen sub studies,

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~reute001/pdf-files/Haydak 1.pdf

http://scialert.net/qredirect.php?doi=pjbs.2006.589.592&linkid=pdf

http://www.beeccdcap.uga.edu/documents/CAPArticle10.html

LABs
http://www.tc.umn.edu/~reute001/pdf-files/Haydak 1.pdf

HBH is not good for bees, it kills bee LABs (probiotics) in the bees gut. The same LABs that defends your bees against deseases like AFB, EFB, Nosema...

Bee probiotics are used to make bee bread. Bee don't eat pollen they eat bread, feed larva, raise queens... the LABs help retains amino acids and proteins in bee bread.
 
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