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Have you experienced CCD?

  • I run 5 or less hives, and HAVE experienced CCD.

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • I run 5 or less hives, and HAVE NOT experienced CCD.

    Votes: 11 23.4%
  • I run 6-20 hives, and HAVE experienced CCD.

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • I run 6-20 hives, and HAVE NOT experienced CCD.

    Votes: 10 21.3%
  • I run 21-99 hives, and HAVE experienced CCD.

    Votes: 3 6.4%
  • I run 21-99 hives, and HAVE NOT experienced CCD.

    Votes: 8 17.0%
  • I run 100-499 hives, and HAVE experienced CCD.

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • I run 100-499 hives, and HAVE NOT experienced CCD.

    Votes: 4 8.5%
  • I run 500+ hives, and HAVE experienced CCD.

    Votes: 3 6.4%
  • I run 500+ hives, and HAVE NOT experienced CCD.

    Votes: 3 6.4%
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You could have included a "Don't Know" line, perhaps.

I have experienced winterloss at about 1/3 or 1/2. I run as many as 600 colonies. I had a 70% die off the year before CCD was noted and named. I don't know if any of my losses are CCD or varroa and ineffective mite control materials or applications.
 

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If you don't think any of your dead-outs were CCD, then you can answer no. If you think some of there were, then you can answer yes.

Not enough choices available for "on the fence". :)
 

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poll presently 2/13

>I had a 70% die off the year before CCD

But this is 4 yrs later. Have your bees had continuing non-typical problems?
Have you several times said: "But-- where are the bees?"

Your best bet is to see who has 'crediable" claims and search archives for
their observations (by my count 6 bk, myself incl)

dave
 

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I think you need to clarify what constitutes CCD for the purposes of this survey/poll. What are the symptoms that confirm this problem? I need to know so I can answer definitely yes or no (as those are the only real responses given in this survey/poll).

The reason I request the list of observable symptoms is that several people in my area suffered losses due to procratination, negligence, poor beekeeping practices, desire to go "natural" on their mite treatments, insufficient stores, etc. They often ask me why their bees died this winter, and while I contemplate their symptoms, they almost immediately ask, "You don't think this is that CCD thing, do you?"

My answer is usually, "What have you observed?"

They tell me they have plenty of dead bees in the hive, no brood, no stores, and even very small clusters frozen within a couple of frames of honey, etc. None of these fit my definition of CCD, but easily fall within the realm of PPB.

Grant
Jackson, MO
 

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>@Grant >What are the symptoms that confirm this problem?

From another board mid Nov/08

I, at least, have been paying attention
These are nearly all cool weather crashes

Gross symptoms
1) Empty hive, no adults
occasionaly a small frozen cluster that
didn't all reach flee stage at once
Dead brood is left uncleaned in a
minority of cases
In all cases few bees on BB (typ 1 cup)

2) Bees flee hive even when cold
No circle or return

3)Birds hanging around to eat chilled bees above
Under bird perches are abdomens, see below

4)Foul feaces (because of damaged guts)
If you doubt, pull last segment -- phew

Individual symptoms
5)STR (sore tummy rub, because of damaged guts)
common, variable (extreme w/ staggers to pefunctory &
moderate)

6) Ankle rub (less common, definitive IMO)
misnomer, whole lower rear leg

7) (rear) feet too close (less common)
4mm or <

8)Hoppers (common at very low level
rare at noticable level)

9) Paralyzed rear legs (rare)
Only easily seen on flat

Brood symptoms
10) 98-99% mortality 1-1.5 d larvae (rare)
If the very last seal, then they die as pupae
Daily inspection of course for 7 d or >

11)Patches of dead pupae (rare?)
10 "^2 or > These are coloured, some emergents.
Reluctence to clean these corpses

Other symptoms
12) If you are insane enough to raise Qs from
a ccd hive the developement is wrong, too long
You will get NO Qs in the end, all sealed die in cells
The royal jelly is bland, I'd bet $ pH is +3 from normal

13) Trucking is likley to turn a mild case into an acute case

14) Moderate dysentry due to ccd, not associated with nosema
(which I supposedly do not have -- 13+ hives tested)

15) Ants can be infected with ccd, reccover the next year

16)Avoidence of deadouts, the honey is safe, nothing wants it
exception: Already infected bees don't avoid robbing in fall,
then mob mentality takes over


Curious that no one wants samples from me,
I had to bug OBA to come and of course they have no test for ccd

I would much rather not have experienced this, most
demoralizing to see the poor response, both from
TPTB and this very BBS
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Lots of people will argue with these symptoms
If their bees don't have ccd those opinions are valueless
If it is not clear from your post, it is only polite to say if
you think your bees have ccd or not

dave
 

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Poll seems to have stalled at 30 (6/30)

>Tell me what CCD is
An uncommon disease?

>I'll tell you if I've seen it or not.
Since IMO ccd is caused by a virus
you must have really really really good eyes
(or a very expensive microscope)

dave
 

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poll now 8/39 (all along its been <20%)

Time for the other 7 postive responders to say something
Symtoms? or treatments? or observations?

I've done my "bit" with symptoms (see above) and
(barely adequate) treatment (see archives) -- how about you?

Still happy with C, remember -- dose HIGH and often

dave
 
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