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Do any of you require a frame exchange when selling nucs? I have plans on selling roughly 10 nucs this year and having 50 drawn frames walk out the door is no small expense. How is this generally handled? Charge 15 dollars less with frame exchange? Just suck up the expense? Thanks
 

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Just add the expense onto the price of the nucs. Would you really want frames from 10 different apiaries coming into yours? I wouldn't.
 

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I am selling my nucs with no exchange. Once I go all foundationless, the frames are a buck apiece.
 

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No exchange. I am part foundation and part foundation less. Cost of frames is already in the price of the nuc.
 

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as VT said, I would not want to have comb from a bunch of random people getting cycled in to my operation. Ya you could do foundation, but whats the frame history?
if they are doing new frames why not buy in bulk you self? make it easy on the costumer

So ya the frames are a cost... but at what local prices are right now....$135 for a package, nucs trending at $185-200 depending on queen type, your going to get a good ROI
 

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Remember you can give the nucs the older frames. Its recommend to change out your frames between 3 to 5 years any way. This is to help with contamination being brought into the hive. Are you selling the frames or the hole nuc box. Just add the price of equipment into your price of a nuc.
 

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Do any of you require a frame exchange when selling nucs? ...
The customers for the few NUCs I sell are happy to exchange new frames and plastic foundation when they buy from me. :)
 

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I figure it is baked into the price. My back of the envelope calculation says it takes about $6 to 8 dollars of honey to draw out a frame (and a frame has about 6 to 8 dollars of wax). The math works out about the same both ways. So $130 package plus 5 frames time $8 per frame is $170 per nuc. The math works again.
 

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My back of the envelope calculation says
Yep Randy Oliver's work says 2# of honey to draw a frame.

but... that's like 1.66 pounds of sugar at $0.50 a pound
Based on Seeley (2001) it take about 2.5 pounds of sugar to feed a deep frame of brood,and about 12 oz protein.
so at $2 a pound for bulk sub IIRR mega bee is 47%(can't find it online ATM) so spit ball protein at $1 a pound
So aside from needed colony inputs ie 8.5 pounds a week sugar to maintain 50k workers and some protein (cant rember my sorce)
so spit balling if your running a feed lot, A 3x5 brood factory drawing and kicking a frame of capped brood a week costs ya about $4 in sugar and maby $1 in sub. and $2.5(small order) a frame/foundation..
The math works out about the same both ways
it dosen't
So frame of brood costs ya like $7.5 if you have nothing else coming in

deep frame is 9k cells, bees are 3500 a pound, a 3 pound package is 7500 bees.. so two frames that are a ball parked at 60% brood = a package worth of bees... add in a accepted and laying queen and the opportunity value of the 3 or so frames of drawn comb that queen can exploit when the brood hatches out and lays in it vs foundation.
nucs would seem to be way under valued.
so the last question is are you making $40 queens, or $20 queens
 

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Yep Randy Oliver's work says 2# of honey to draw a frame.

but... that's like 1.66 pounds of sugar at $0.50 a pound
Based on Seeley (2001) it take about 2.5 pounds of sugar to feed a deep frame of brood,and about 12 oz protein.
msl,
can you provide links to those statistics?

No frame exchange for me when I sell nucs, the price of the nuc includes my costs of new frames.
 

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Remember you can give the nucs the older frames. Its recommend to change out your frames between 3 to 5 years any way. This is to help with contamination being brought into the hive. Are you selling the frames or the hole nuc box. Just add the price of equipment into your price of a nuc.
No way do that! You are giving your “might be contaminated” OLD frames to another beekeeper, most likely an unsuspecting new beek. I have been there and received AFB from that. Also there are unseen diseases that are in comb, ex. nosema cerana and others.
 

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I think a deposit is a great way to make a little extra on a nucs. Humble abodes as migratory Woodenware nucs for $19. With a 30 deposit you make 10 for all unreturned nuc box. I think there is value in beginning having a nuc box. If the keep nuc boxes they can start the nuc in July with a 2 combs of brood they go into winter with 2.5 hives.
 

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" The math works out about the same both ways" it dosen't
Good analysis. I was careful to say, honey and wax is about the same. yes, you can do things to drive down the cost and value of the frames. Naturally feeding sugar reduces in input cost. but you still end up giving away 6 to 8 dolars in wax and frames. redcue to cost of wax loss by using older brood frams as several have pointed out. Old brood wax is worth a lot less. If you are trying to mimimise opernity cost of selling nucs, feed with sugar and use old frames. I agree with you. nucs would seem to be way under valued nomatter how I run the numbers. Particularly when they let you keep a good nuc box.
 

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seems like around my area 5 frame nucs are 160-170 each. Most dont expect frame exchange but a lot of the sellers look like they ask customers to bring their own box to transfer the nuc into.
Im going to try sell a few this year and whilst ill raise the nucs in wooden boxes i have made i will sell them in ML cardboard nuc boxes. It just takes me too long to make the wooden ware to just give it away with each nuc.
 

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Yep, $165, no exchange, bring your own box with the bottom secured to it, and a screen or entrance plug. If you are selling in a cardboard nuc box, be sure to get paid for it above the price of the nuc without a box. I will provide a loaner nuc with deposit if customer shows up without a hive.
 
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