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Foundationless: when and how to add a new box???

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I got two five frame nucs this year and set in foundationless frames. The frames are almost all drawn now. When should i give them another box? In the new box do i move drawn comb up for a guide, how many frames if so?
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I'm foundationless and I'll try to add a box when the first is started drawing on all frames. I move two frames up, sometimes three if their really strong.

As they draw these out I move drawn frames toward the outside and drop undrawn frames between them.
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