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ever really have enough gear on hand?

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I got a call from a local tree guy, to go look at a house with a bee hive the owner wanted removed. I get there and see not one but four hives :applause: in the siding of the house, tongue and groove, so the owner wants to try a trapout.

Just when I thought I had slapped together a few extra frames and boxes...

I may be short on hardware cloth, can you apply fiberglass window screen to make a trap out cone or will the bees chew it up? I can't find that #8 hardware screen locally, and I want to get set up this week...

I've a bunch of screen and #4 hardware cloth...
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the owner would be very upset if all you did was trap them out. He would have a MESS inside his walls
I tried to explain, but he was persistent on the trap out vs cutting into the tongue/groove. His plan B was to spray them. It isn't a great house/neighborhood, and I gotta admit hives were flashing in my mind.

Looking at a window, there are bees entering/exiting from the upper left, and lower right. Should that be treated as two or one colonies?
I've a bunch of screen and #4 hardware cloth...

They'll pass through #4
I have extra equipment on hand for about a day. And then I fill it! Never can have enough!
In a pinch, the fiberglass screening should work ok if you form the cone with the 1/4" hw cloth as a supporting base.

BTW: Make sure your escape hole is big enough for drones to pass through. I did my first trapout this weekend in an old caboose. I made a double cone exit and when I went back later in the day, the wire cone was packed solid with bees. A fat drone was stuck in the opening, bringing the whole show to a halt.

Peter- I was figuring on a skeleton of #4, with fiberglass window screen for the exit cone (#4 to keep the screen from collapsing). I bought the #8 screen, that I have, to make SBB's, and don't have too much left...

I am concerned that the siding is rotten, and may not support a NUC box full of bees. I suppose I gotta get up a ladder and poke around a bit.

On a funny note, I guess mounting a box to the wall, and it tearing off the siding would allow me to do a proper cutout! ;)
I would do a cut out or walk away, a trap out will not end well for the home owner.
I've done trap outs successfully and I'm a big fan of them. However in heavy SHB territory and 4 hives. All you have to got wrong is have one of them get overrun and they'll all fail, badly.
I would explain to the home owner "again" about whats gonna happen to his home if you just done a trap out...He needs to know that he will have bigger problems later on!! I wouldnt even do a trap out if i knew what was gonna happen, i would feel guilty!!! Hives were flashing in ur mind??? That explains it....Good Job!!!!
I have extra equipment on hand for about a day. And then I fill it! Never can have enough!
I keep 50 extra boxes around just in case. :) They were for my second story on my packages from the spring. I used them all up on Swarms this year. So I had to order more. You can never have enough and usually never do. :cry:
no, never never matter what i do i never seem to have enough. Although, i have multiplied my colonies x12...i always am building boxes and putting together frames. It was so bad that i was doing what i could for lids and sbb's. Now that i have stopped the splits and such, I have had to go back and unmess everything that was just thrown to gether. Good thing tho really. Now i know what it takes and what i need.
tongue and groove,
Really? Tongue and grooved boards or panels? Horizantil or vertical? What kind of wood? As an underlayment or as the outside layer of siding? When was it built?
So whether it is trap out or kill, what does the owner think the comb in the wall with rotting bees and honey is going to do for him? It will make a great rodent attractor. They will gnaw through the wood to get to that.
It might be best if you did a walk away.
The tongue/groove is horizontal, and not in good shape. That may be why the owner, who is renting the place out, does not want to cut into it. The wood is a bit off color/moldy/dirty, so I can't tell what kind it is. I showed up with the intent of doing a cutout, and the owner did not want to do that. If I walk away, he's planning on spraying them {good luck with that buddy}

The house has one window covered with plywood, and a couple that are covered with a tarp as there is no glass/broken glass. :thumbsup: I don't think he cares about rodent issues, given the shape of the exterior.

I'd have to build a lean to, like a hunting tree stand, as I don't think the siding would hold up a full NUC box.

I went to bed last night thinking I'm going to walk away from the gig. Not a good neighborhood, sketchy house. Normally I avoid that type of situation. Not to sound like I'm on a string, but the wife gets a bad feel (she went to spec it out last night with me)

- but its only 5 miles away and has the potential to make some more hives. (I'll probably get blasted again for that thought)
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More hives aside, there are times when you just have to walk away. Condition of this house (by description) says owner doesn't care, but if you do remove with trapout, he will complain. If another swarm moves in he will say you failed. when the comb collapses and comes through the wall he will blame you. if anything happens he will say it is your fault. If he doesn't want you to come in from the outside, ask about getting them from the inside. Be sure to get a letter holdin you exempt from damages from this. The whole thing sounds rotten to me, but If all you can see is more hives, it is your decision. Just saying to step back and really look at the situation. I hate to see colony's be killed but if it is them or me , I am sorry, but I have too much too loose to risk it on a colony of bees.:ws
Bigbore- I smell exactly what you're stepping in.
If you can leave the hive there long enough to make their own queen, you can remove the cone and the nuc will rob out the hive in the house, but I would not worry about what remains just do the trapout and leave, its soo close by you canot pass this up, and you will allways be short of equipment
I'll send ya some pics of opened up walls full of bees and combs if you'd like? As far as enough equipment, I'm not sure if you can ever have too much. Just 2 weeks ago when the phone had not rung in 3 weeks, I thought "crud, I have 25 hive bodies, 200 frames, 12 top and bottom boards in surplus! All that money sitting in the garage that I could have done something else with, like apply it towards a work truck." Then, the phone started ringing again, 2 cut outs, one 5 gallon bucket and now possibly the 3 colonies in a house. Another cool thing to come is I might have another drop zone for hives.

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