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El Nino and extreme heat

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I am a new beekeeper (4 weeks in) and I am curious about this years El Nino effect on my hives. I live in Washington just on the east side of the Cascades. We had a much longer winter (snowed the last week of April) and then 2 weeks later we hit 90's. This year all indications are for my area to be very hot (triple digits for 10+ day). Any suggestions on how best to prepare? I am concerned the honey flow will be short and that we will have a long dry season and with lots of smoke from wildfires up north.

A few details about my area:
  • It's mostly dry from June through October
  • Temps on average are upper 80's in July and August (this year expected to be at least 10 degrees warmer)
  • My hives are shaded during parts of the day from tall Ponderosas but they will be exposed during the heat of the day. They are place where they are to be out of the way and blocked from wind coming up from the Columbia Gorge.

My concerns center around that fact we pretty much skipped spring by having cold temps through first week of May and then very warm temps in a matter of a few days The wild flowers aren't yet blooming and the ground is already drying up. My fields of lupin look thirsty which doesn't seem good for the bees.

Should I shade my hives in some way when the temps are high??? Do I just feed them more by starting syrup late summer if needed???

There isn't a Bee club close by but I did join one about an hour away in another state, they have great guest speakers but they don't have discussions or socialize in anyway. One guys has a monthly consulting for $600. Focused on inspections. And his climate is pretty different than mine. Is it worth it??

Books don't really help me with my specific area questions. I appreciate any thoughts on next steps that people would like to share.
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yes shade helps
if feeding ,,,very light syrup 1:3 or 1:4 then they have good water content.
open entrances

consider Texas its hot there as well, and it works for bees.

GG
I promise you will still be cooler and have more green around you than west Texas in...well, any month. Bees keep the nest warm, they'll probably like not having to work so hard to dry out the honey or maintain the temperature this year. I wouldn't worry about it unless you see frequent bearding, just make sure they have a water source and maybe some light feed like GG said. Sure, you probably won't get any honey this year, especially since it's your first, but you're welcome to visit a Texas group online and lament about it with us. :)
(Not sure if you have ants as bad as I do, but I've had better luck with frame feeders than the whole super hive top feeder - I put a good bit of petroleum jelly around the rim under my inner cover and that seemed to help, but I'll not use that feeder for liquid again.)

It pains me to say it, but I bet there's a Facebook group in your area that is pretty social. The beek groups I'm in on FB are not that bad, bees only and no politics or BS, but I still limit my visits to maybe once a month to be safe.

There are also some good YouTube channels that have weekly livestreams and/or regular educational content: Frederick Dunn, Kaymon Reynolds, David Burns, The Bee Supply, Bob Binnie; also Ryan Hall Y'all for weather (he just did an El Niño video).
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I promise you will still be cooler and have more green around you than west Texas in...well, any month.

I am sure we are greener. 🌲 Since this little pocket where I live is much drier than what most people think of the PNW (18"-20" annual rainfall ), I really like your suggestion to follow groups from drier areas. And I will check out some of the YouTube channels you suggested.

Not super focused on the honey aspect of the apiary as much as I like the complexity of this hobby. So much to learn and observe, good for an early retiree with a high level of curiosity.

Thank you for your input, much appreciated.
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...as much as I like the complexity of this hobby. So much to learn and observe, good for an early retiree with a high level of curiosity.
Oh you're in trouble now! Beekeeping has more rabbit holes than actual rabbit farming. :ROFLMAO:

I'm sad to say there isn't much info out there for beekeeping in drier climates. Probably because it's not very profitable/rewarding I guess. Most of the Texas stuff I find is well east of the dry line. I was extremely lucky to get a new trainee at work who was a commercial beek at 15 years old! He sold everything off to pay for college, but his remaining hives are about 40 miles west of me, so he's been a great resource. I have cousins that have run a commercial apiary in OK for my whole life, so they're good to call too. You'll find some people, it just takes a little time.

You can do it without an on-site mentor, just go slow at the hive and make sure to at least cover everything up if you get nervous and have to walk away. And don't go in there more than once a week. I almost had a new hive abscond because I got anxious and messed around with some queen cells three days in a row - because I had internet information overload. Plan an operation, give it 7 days, if it didn't stick, new plan, 7 more days. Turns out bees are not fond of fussy humans.

You don't need to pay anyone $600 a month, if you're going to do that, work on your Master Beekeeper Certificate from Cornell University. I don't know what he charges, but David Burns (YouTube) has a thing called BeeTeam6, where you can subscribe to pay a fee to call him anytime. (I just looked it up, it's $30 a month. Beekeeping Mentor) Watch his videos, I find most of them useful (some are just long advertisements for his courses, but he's got to pay the bills somehow). I think there's a recent one specifically on doing hive inspections. David is geared toward new beekeepers, Fred Dunn is a bit more scientific, Kamon and Bob Binnie are more commercial, and The Bee Supply is a mix of new beekeeper and general info/good reminders for advanced beekeepers. Their monthly livestream is basically a video version of their monthly magazine, which is free on their website. (They are more expensive, but have top notch service and include nice informational material in each order, like a printed pocket version of all the monthly beekeeping tips on their website.)

Here are some other great resources:

Oh, and for stings - if I can safely walk away with my smoker and get to the bare skin where the sting is, I've found that basically touching it to the smoker a few times, just shy of burning but overcoming the leidenfrost effect, is amazing at stopping the swelling and itching. They sell sting wand things on Amazon that do the same thing, or you can use a bic lighter, but hey, the smoker is there, it's hot, the sting is fresh, and the bees obviously need a little break from me.
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Oh you're in trouble now! Beekeeping has more rabbit holes than actual rabbit farming. :ROFLMAO:

I'm sad to say there isn't much info out there for beekeeping in drier climates. Probably because it's not very profitable/rewarding I guess. Most of the Texas stuff I find is well east of the dry line. I was extremely lucky to get a new trainee at work who was a commercial beek at 15 years old! He sold everything off to pay for college, but his remaining hives are about 40 miles west of me, so he's been a great resource. I have cousins that have run a commercial apiary in OK for my whole life, so they're good to call too. You'll find some people, it just takes a little time.

You can do it without an on-site mentor, just go slow at the hive and make sure to at least cover everything up if you get nervous and have to walk away. And don't go in there more than once a week. I almost had a new hive abscond because I got anxious and messed around with some queen cells three days in a row - because I had internet information overload. Plan an operation, give it 7 days, if it didn't stick, new plan, 7 more days. Turns out bees are not fond of fussy humans.

You don't need to pay anyone $600 a month, if you're going to do that, work on your Master Beekeeper Certificate from Cornell University. I don't know what he charges, but David Burns (YouTube) has a thing called BeeTeam6, where you can subscribe to pay a fee to call him anytime. (I just looked it up, it's $30 a month. Beekeeping Mentor) Watch his videos, I find most of them useful (some are just long advertisements for his courses, but he's got to pay the bills somehow). I think there's a recent one specifically on doing hive inspections. David is geared toward new beekeepers, Fred Dunn is a bit more scientific, Kamon and Bob Binnie are more commercial, and The Bee Supply is a mix of new beekeeper and general info/good reminders for advanced beekeepers. Their monthly livestream is basically a video version of their monthly magazine, which is free on their website. (They are more expensive, but have top notch service and include nice informational material in each order, like a printed pocket version of all the monthly beekeeping tips on their website.)

Here are some other great resources:

Oh, and for stings - if I can safely walk away with my smoker and get to the bare skin where the sting is, I've found that basically touching it to the smoker a few times, just shy of burning but overcoming the leidenfrost effect, is amazing at stopping the swelling and itching. They sell sting wand things on Amazon that do the same thing, or you can use a bic lighter, but hey, the smoker is there, it's hot, the sting is fresh, and the bees obviously need a little break from me.
Wow! Never heard of that one. I've burned myself too many times with the smoker to ever do it. Usually it has happened because I was wearing shorts and tried to hold the smoker between my knees.
As to the El Nino, is there not any irrigated alfalfa fields in your area? The hot weather might just spur the nectar flow, and maybe also it would slow down the alfalfa mowers who often ruin it for the bees by mowing the bloom. Well, one can hope!
Good luck!
Wow! Never heard of that one. I've burned myself too many times with the smoker to ever do it. Usually it has happened because I was wearing shorts and tried to hold the smoker between my knees.
I was pretty skeptical too, and my stings are weird so I never really needed to try it. I'll get a sting and not really feel or see it for a day, although sometimes there's a very concerning bullseye ring like a spider bite (same with fire ant bites), then late on day two it will start itching and maybe swell a bit, itch for a week and it's over. (I am far from having enough stings to claim that I'm immune.) That Amazon device popped up in my recommendations after I bought some sting kill, and I checked the reviews, but still wasn't convinced. Then I got a sting on my wrist; on day two it started swelling, by day three my hand looked cartoonish and I couldn't close it (that was new and unusual for me). I tried hitting it with a lighter on day 2 and didn't get any relief (I think by the time it swells it's too late). A few days later, I got a sting on my ring finger and I wear a really thick class ring. I knew if I didn't rip off that glove and get that ring off I could lose my finger, so I touched it on the smoker as many times as I could stand while I was at it. It worked amazingly, no swelling, very little itching and I didn't have a problem wearing my ring for the rest of the week (I kept it off for a few days just in case). With fire ants and bird-sized mosquitoes around here too, it's now my go to for relief. It's a bit awkward when a co-worker catches you doing what appears to be burning yourself with a lighter though, so tell everyone up front so they don't get worried about your mental health.:oops:

Here's a study on one of the wand devices: The use of concentrated heat after insect bites/stings as an alternative to reduce swelling, pain, and pruritus: an open cohort-study at German beaches and bathing-lakes

Edit: To be clear, with a lighter, you're heating up the metal and putting the metal against the sting, not a flame.
Edit2: Pruritus = itching
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Wow! Never heard of that one. I've burned myself too many times with the smoker to ever do it. Usually it has happened because I was wearing shorts and tried to hold the smoker between my knees.
As to the El Nino, is there not any irrigated alfalfa fields in your area? The hot weather might just spur the nectar flow, and maybe also it would slow down the alfalfa mowers who often ruin it for the bees by mowing the bloom. Well, one can hope!
Good luck!
Unfortunately, no alfalfa within 15 miles of me. There is a small apple tree farm 4 miles as a crow flies but that is the closest ag around me. There are several meadows with lots of wildflowers but I'm mostly surrounded by forest and logged parcels. My property was logged back in 05. The maple trees seem to be an early source of nectar for the bees, I am watching to see where else they go. We have clover, wildflowers, and several properties have small orchards.

Thanks for post, it's appreciated
Oh you're in trouble now! Beekeeping has more rabbit holes than actual rabbit farming. :ROFLMAO:

I'm sad to say there isn't much info out there for beekeeping in drier climates. Probably because it's not very profitable/rewarding I guess. Most of the Texas stuff I find is well east of the dry line. I was extremely lucky to get a new trainee at work who was a commercial beek at 15 years old! He sold everything off to pay for college, but his remaining hives are about 40 miles west of me, so he's been a great resource. I have cousins that have run a commercial apiary in OK for my whole life, so they're good to call too. You'll find some people, it just takes a little time.

You can do it without an on-site mentor, just go slow at the hive and make sure to at least cover everything up if you get nervous and have to walk away. And don't go in there more than once a week. I almost had a new hive abscond because I got anxious and messed around with some queen cells three days in a row - because I had internet information overload. Plan an operation, give it 7 days, if it didn't stick, new plan, 7 more days. Turns out bees are not fond of fussy humans.

You don't need to pay anyone $600 a month, if you're going to do that, work on your Master Beekeeper Certificate from Cornell University. I don't know what he charges, but David Burns (YouTube) has a thing called BeeTeam6, where you can subscribe to pay a fee to call him anytime. (I just looked it up, it's $30 a month. Beekeeping Mentor) Watch his videos, I find most of them useful (some are just long advertisements for his courses, but he's got to pay the bills somehow). I think there's a recent one specifically on doing hive inspections. David is geared toward new beekeepers, Fred Dunn is a bit more scientific, Kamon and Bob Binnie are more commercial, and The Bee Supply is a mix of new beekeeper and general info/good reminders for advanced beekeepers. Their monthly livestream is basically a video version of their monthly magazine, which is free on their website. (They are more expensive, but have top notch service and include nice informational material in each order, like a printed pocket version of all the monthly beekeeping tips on their website.)

Here are some other great resources:

Oh, and for stings - if I can safely walk away with my smoker and get to the bare skin where the sting is, I've found that basically touching it to the smoker a few times, just shy of burning but overcoming the leidenfrost effect, is amazing at stopping the swelling and itching. They sell sting wand things on Amazon that do the same thing, or you can use a bic lighter, but hey, the smoker is there, it's hot, the sting is fresh, and the bees obviously need a little break from me.
Oregon State has a certificate program that I was looking into. They have several levels to choose from, so maybe I will go that direction. And I will check out BeeTeam6, sounds likeI'm the target audience.

The bee sting tip is great. I will try it out. I'm not allergic but my reactions are classified as "strong reactions". I swell up crazy amounts every time. If I get stung too much I will get venom therapy treatment. But I will totally try the smoker trick.

I am only going to the hive once a week to do inspections. So far, things seem to be going well. I haven't tested for mites yet, I will do that next inspection when my assistant (hubby) is giving me a hand. And I try to limit the time I am in the hive too.

Thanks again for all the information. I really appreciate it.
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You might ask your Dr. or Pharmacist what a good second generation antihistamine is for you. Take it on the days you're going into the hive, so hopefully that will also help with the swelling if you get stung. My alma mater has a master beekeeper program, and it's heresy to not want to go with it, but Cornell has Dr. Tom Seely, plus my favorite entomology professor was originally from Cornell, so that's why I'm planning on that one. Their program also seems more academic instead of social, which is better for me.
I will second (or third?) making sure you have a water source available.

The other thing to keep an eye out for is robbing. With no hives having any food coming in, they may be much more inclined to start robbing.
My hives have lived through 110+ weather just fine. Water is close, full open bottom entrance if they are strong hives, and a 3/4" hole drilled in top box. I am in hot dry summer California north central valley.
I am a new beekeeper (4 weeks in) and I am curious about this years El Nino effect on my hives. I live in Washington just on the east side of the Cascades. We had a much longer winter (snowed the last week of April) and then 2 weeks later we hit 90's. This year all indications are for my area to be very hot (triple digits for 10+ day). Any suggestions on how best to prepare? I am concerned the honey flow will be short and that we will have a long dry season and with lots of smoke from wildfires up north.

A few details about my area:
  • It's mostly dry from June through October
  • Temps on average are upper 80's in July and August (this year expected to be at least 10 degrees warmer)
  • My hives are shaded during parts of the day from tall Ponderosas but they will be exposed during the heat of the day. They are place where they are to be out of the way and blocked from wind coming up from the Columbia Gorge.

My concerns center around that fact we pretty much skipped spring by having cold temps through first week of May and then very warm temps in a matter of a few days The wild flowers aren't yet blooming and the ground is already drying up. My fields of lupin look thirsty which doesn't seem good for the bees.

Should I shade my hives in some way when the temps are high??? Do I just feed them more by starting syrup late summer if needed???

There isn't a Bee club close by but I did join one about an hour away in another state, they have great guest speakers but they don't have discussions or socialize in anyway. One guys has a monthly consulting for $600. Focused on inspections. And his climate is pretty different than mine. Is it worth it??

Books don't really help me with my specific area questions. I appreciate any thoughts on next steps that people would like to share.
Where are you exactly? I’m in Chelan...as long as they have access to water afternoon shade and the boxes are painted white...they’ll be fine. 600 dollars consultanting fee? That’s a lot. With respect to feeding A simple one to one worked fine for me. Depending on where you are its very likely you will get quite the late summer flow.
Where are you exactly? I’m in Chelan...as long as they have access to water afternoon shade and the boxes are painted white...they’ll be fine. 600 dollars consultanting fee? That’s a lot. With respect to feeding A simple one to one worked fine for me. Depending on where you are its very likely you will get quite the late summer flow.
Oh I love Lake Chelan. We had a few family reunion there in the late 70's early 80's. Been back a few times over the years.

I didn't word the consulting fee statement well. You have to buy a package deal where you get 12 meetings, once a month for $600. Four to 5 months of which they will be covered in snow. I still think its a bit much as a flat rate. I think I have to pay for milage on top of that. I'm going to pass.

I am in Snowden, kind of between White Salmon and Goldendale. We sit on a dry little plateau around 2400 ft elv.
I bet you are right about the late summer flow. I hadn't considered that. Do you get the smoke in late summer like we do? I can't tell how much is coming from the east side vs Canada but our last 2 summer out here have been very heavy with smoke for at least a few weeks. Even set off the smoke detector a few times. I was curious how it effects the bees?

Part of the reason I am trying bees is because we don't see many around here (we do have lots of wasps).

And that lead me to wonder about the temperature swings because humans and many animals can be very effected by 10 degree shifts from their regions temperatures range. I don't know if bee acclimate to regions and if big shift to that region would effect them. That would have been a better question.
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