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I get along very well with single brood box management. For anybody out there doing the same thing I'm just wondering what the pros and cons may be to keeping a specialised green drone frame in the brood chamber when using single Box management?
 

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I get along very well with single brood box management. For anybody out there doing the same thing I'm just wondering what the pros and cons may be to keeping a specialised green drone frame in the brood chamber when using single Box management?
I put 1/2 of a worker panel of foundation centered in two frames. The bees draw for free, drone comb in the remaining spaces. You can cut it out if you wish for mite control or have it filled with honey at the end of summer. It is the same amount of drone space as the dedicated single green comb. Effective, cheap, and easy.
 

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I put 1/2 of a worker panel of foundation centered in two frames. The bees draw for free, drone comb in the remaining spaces. You can cut it out if you wish for mite control or have it filled with honey at the end of summer. It is the same amount of drone space as the dedicated single green comb. Effective, cheap, and easy.
Clever.

To your question though - are you looking to increase drones in your hard or have the drone frame for IPM?
 

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Clever.

To your question though - are you looking to increase drones in your hard or have the drone frame for IPM?
That was my question too. If for IPM, stick it in, otherwise, follow Frank's advice. You do not want 10% of your available space being used to raise drones.
 

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Clever.

To your question though - are you looking to increase drones in your hard or have the drone frame for IPM?
I am not assured that drones other than my own are available for queen rearing. Another reason is that if you try to keep the colony drone free the bees will build drone comb between all the frames of upper and lower boxes and even tear out worker cells to build drone. Left to their own devices they attempt 20 % drone area. I dont know what the economic drag might be but it is simpler for me to work the hive with this 10% arrangement.
 

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Clever.

To your question though - are you looking to increase drones in your hard or have the drone frame for IPM?
No IPM, I do always check a little bit of drone comb every time I see some just to keep an eye on the mites, but yes I am interested in high drone populations for mating purposes.
I have been thinking that in a 10 frame box 1 drawn comb is 10% of all available comb space and wondering is that too much worker brood comb space to give up when only in a single box.
 

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Refresh my memory as to why you need to stay in a single box. My double deep hives with foundationless frames will draw out about five frames solid drone comb. That is A LOT of drones. The only green frame I own is still in the bee room, I never used it, and I sure would not ever buy a frame for drones when the bees are perfectly willing to build me one for free.
 

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In short: if you want a frame of drones, or 5, just throw a foundationless frame in there. I'd say 99% of the time it will be drone if they don't already have a lot of it. I think the only pro of the fancy green frames are if you wanted to kill the drones as part of your IPM. As you want to keep the drones, just pop out a piece of foundation and install the frame. The girls will take care of the rest.

I also run single deeps and have no problem with them having a frame dedicated to drones. I always keep that frame 2nd from the outside frame and when things slow down they just fill it with nectar.
 

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I only have just one summer experience with single 10 frame deep for broods. Very little space is taken up for honey stores and the queen seems to keep a very compact brood space compared to a double deep configuration. Perhaps they dont lay as much drone if they know they have to keep it open for worker brood. I can't remember thinking it was a problem. I did destroy some queen cells a few times in one colony until I finally decided they were into supercedure. I was nervous, but the old queen continued to lay and it went off without swarming. I did pull a few frames of brood out of each of the singles to make a couple of nucs and mate a few queens. I did not feel that it limited honey production but you do have to have lots of supers on because that is where most of your population lives.

It is different, but interesting.
 

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I think the only pro of the fancy green frames are if you wanted to kill the drones as part of your IPM.
Tangent - I have a box of medium drone frames that I want to try putting in supers. I end up with thick honey that takes a while to extract, and I want to see if it will come out of drone frames easier than normal frames.
 

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Tangent - I have a box of medium drone frames that I want to try putting in supers. I end up with thick honey that takes a while to extract, and I want to see if it will come out of drone frames easier than normal frames.
That's actually a very interesting experiment! You should start a thread on that with your procedure and results. Would you also run the usual 9 frames in a 10 frame and 7 in an 8 frame? Bees love storing honey in brood comb, so why not?

And I heat my frames in our sun room before extracting. Way easier!
 

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That's actually a very interesting experiment! You should start a thread on that with your procedure and results. Would you also run the usual 9 frames in a 10 frame and 7 in an 8 frame? Bees love storing honey in brood comb, so why not?

And I heat my frames in our sun room before extracting. Way easier!
Sounds like drone frames in supers can work well if the queen does not fill it with drones Drone Foundation in Honey Supers

I dont have a good way to warm up several suppers yet, I think extracting earlier when it is hot will also help.
 

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I have dedicated supers filled entirely with green drone frames. I do run QE and never (willingly) allow queen into the supers. I extract them right away as soon as they are taken off the hive, so cooling/heating has never been an issue. However I can't say there is too much difference in extracting performance between drone and regular comb and the only reason I use the green frames is because I got a bunch of them cheap (cheaper than regular frames). I would not bother with them if I had to buy them retail, there isn't that much of advantage to them and it takes a bit longer for bees to draw them out.
 

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Tangent - I have a box of medium drone frames that I want to try putting in supers. I end up with thick honey that takes a while to extract, and I want to see if it will come out of drone frames easier than normal frames.
most of my super frames , FL and using a starter strip are Drone cells, not sure I see a difference on honey removal speed, not that I noticed any way, but do try it, an itch unscratched, is likely to nag at you.

for me the plastic is the fastest as I can run the speed up quicker, since they blow out less, the firm spine of the plastic seems the differentiator so the green comb should act the same.

GG
 
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