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Is it for extended queen caging in varroa control methods?
Varroa control mid-summer/late-summer - to create brood-less windows for treatments (without colony splitting).
Also for managing the flow harvest - the same, to create brood-less windows.
Also for multi-queen projects (including wintering).
Many uses if you think about it.
 

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Varroa control mid-summer/late-summer - to create brood-less windows for treatments (without colony splitting).
Also for managing the flow harvest - the same, to create brood-less windows.
Also for multi-queen projects (including wintering).
Many uses if you think about it.
If it was predictable, it would be a neat way to winter a few extra queens? Is that queen excluder dimension or small enough to keep workers out?
 

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If it was predictable, it would be a neat way to winter a few extra queens? Is that queen excluder dimension or small enough to keep workers out?
Standard queen excluder is used to make the cage - thus the workers are free to go in/out.

For the wintering - this particular cage is used when outside of the frame - because then you have options to move it around to ensure that cluster is covering the cage.
As pictured - it is most useful during the warm season.
But people reportedly use the same for queen wintering just as well.

Here is just one video of many - how to make the cage.
There are bigger cages demonstrated too - more suitable for queen wintering.
 

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Iv'e been trying to get a supplier to import these.


Same idea. Common in eu.
 

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Somebody got time to play with their 3D printer, you could make something like that pretty quickly.
I'm always looking for ways to point out to my wife how much money I'm saving by having one. :)
 

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Iv'e been trying to get a supplier to import these.
Somebody got time to play with their 3D printer, you could make something like that pretty quickly.
It would be easy to model, but something like this seems within the abilities of most beekeepers:

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I'm not sure you'd need the queen excluder, would you? I understood the nurse bees would feed the queen through the screen.
 

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It would be easy to model, but something like this seems within the abilities of most beekeepers:

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I'm not sure you'd need the queen excluder, would you? I understood the nurse bees would feed the queen through the screen.
Unsure how and if the free in/out bee access is important.
However, the people in the practical know do use the queen excluder.
I want to think it took some practical trials to select the best solution.
Purhaps the physical contact of the bees and the queen is imporant - so to distribute the queen-is-here pheromon around the colony better.

Also, about the pictured - one needs to be able to easily dump the contents out (e.g. a dead queen).
How do you easily do that with the pictured?
 

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Unsure how and if the free in/out bee access is important.
However, the people in the practical know do use the queen excluder.
I want to think it took some practical trials to select the best solution.
Purhaps the physical contact of the bees and the queen is imporant - so to distribute the queen-is-here pheromon around the colony better.
Well, the answer is pretty simple: Use plastic queen excluder instead of the metal screen.

Also, about the pictured - one needs to be able to easily dump the contents out (e.g. a dead queen).
How do you easily do that with the pictured?
Do you want fast, easy, cheap? Pick two. So far what little I know of you makes me write down "cheap" as a default. 😝 That being the case, you have two options:
  1. Fast: Use thumb-tacks to hold the cage and pry them off when you want to release the queen.
  2. Easy: Make a larger hole in the top and a correspondingly larger door.
So, some scrap wood (you know you just grabbed some off the side of the road,) a frame you already have, and a piece of a broken queen excluder you couldn't make yourself throw away. What am I missing?

Or, someone buys one, measures it, and I can model one in 3D and share the model. The problem is in real cost that 3D print is more than buying and shipping one from Italy.
 

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What am I missing?
You are not missing anything, LBussy.
The construction of these things is rather trivial and really is a non-issue.
It is really is not even the point and I don't even care to dwell on this.
I know how to make such a cage if I need one.
But do I know how and why use it?

What is really missing - methodology of these things.
They are not being used when they could be.
This is what I am learning about at the moment.

One of the key points is this - continuous brood presence over the season is not necessarily a good thing. In fact, brood interruptions are rather normal in nature - but NOT in current conventional beekeeping. That is a very deep point to think about.

Pretty much ALL bee parasites and deceases are rooted in brood.
Why do we need so much brood?
Why do we need to have brood continuously?

Because the current conventional teaching says so.
Well, I have identified people now that demonstrated that one needs not to have so much brood at all (all the while general production is not sacrificed).
 

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I came across a study ... searching for it. I considered then discarded this process for varroa control as a result. Let me see if I can find it somewhere.

Either way though, it might be handy to have for other reasons as you point out.
 

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I found one study that actually looks positive, Dr. Ellis was a participant. Here is a very similar-looking queen cage in that study:
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Another similar study here.

Neither of them showed any significant mortality or negative impact on the queen. Both were using OA dribble and I think the second one followed up with OAV.
 
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Some climate conditions can tolerate, even benefit from brood interruptions. Many people though are keeping bees in areas that would either yield very little honey or need massive amounts of feeding or they would not survive the following winter. It should be clear that in such cases caging the queen is not magically a plus.
 

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Some climate conditions can tolerate, even benefit from brood interruptions. Many people though are keeping bees in areas that would either yield very little honey or need massive amounts of feeding or they would not survive the following winter. It should be clear that in such cases caging the queen is not magically a plus.
I think "everything works in Florida" is a part here. Dr. Jack commented about that and the differences people see - which is why I felt I had been presented with opposing information. I'm still digging.
 
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