[BEES4U]

Sunday, August 01, 2010

Re: Allen's 9 colonies.
9 colonies fed to 105 colonies.
Can you elaborated on your methods and materials used?
What is the average frame count for those 105 colonies?
Thanks,
Ernie

 

[BEES4U]

Re:
Freshness, delivery and storage.
The key ingredients that I use in my Pollen Supplement is frozen upon delivery.
Sugar has been used for many years to preserve food stuffs.
The pH of my Pollen Supplement is 4.9
The key ingredients in my Pollen Supplements are human grade food stuffs.

Re: possibly more critical than the choice of ingredients..
The above statement can be refuted!
Regards,
Ernie

 

[BEES4U]

Here's a good video on--

Honeybee health Dr. Jeff Pettis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4vxA2StAU

Notice what's stated at 0.55 into the video. (If you get weak----)
Ernie

 

[Allen Dick]

> Can you elaborated on your methods and materials used? What is the average frame count for those 105 colonies?

All that is already done -- and more -- in excruciating detail at http://www.honeybeeword.com/diary

 

[Allen Dick]

Freshness, delivery and storage. The key ingredients that I use in my Pollen Supplement is frozen upon delivery. Sugar has been used for many years to preserve food stuffs. The pH of my Pollen Supplement is 4.9 The key ingredients in my Pollen Supplements are human grade food stuffs.

Then we are in agreement about that and you are careful in that regard.

Good. Some are not.

Do you know how your product rates after shipping and storage, or do you make sure it is consumed immediately?

Re: possibly more critical than the choice of ingredients..The above statement can be refuted!.

Well, go ahead, then, but let's assume, as I was, that we are talking about a choice from ingredients which have been proven over the years to be acceptable and productive bee feeds, and let's stick to the results of empirical tests, not hypothetical and imaginative articles from the fringe.

 

[Keith Jarrett]

Do you know how your product rates after shipping and storage, or do you make sure it is consumed immediately?
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All most all the suppies that I use comes with a C/A of THREE YEARS when kept at 70 degrees or less.

I have also done lab work on my sample of sub that is over one year old that was kept in my cooler warehouse.... guess what, hardly changed.

I wouldn't use something if it sat for three years, but the supplier says it's ok.

 

[Allen Dick]

> I have also done lab work on my sample of sub that is over one year old that was kept in my cooler warehouse.... guess what, hardly changed.

I'd be interested to know what tests you did that led you to believe that.

We know what happens to pollen in storage. I imagine it might test OK, too.

Not saying that this the case here, but products which may be stable when stored as delivered may interact after being combined or after addition of water in ways which are hard to predict.

Lipids in particular are subject to deterioration and can become toxic in fairly short order.

Chemical tests are mere surrogates and give incomplete pictures, since they only tell us what we ask.

What happens in a beehive is what really matters.
I've been wondering what tests, other than actual comparative feeding of fresh and aged to bee colonies of bees can really tell us much since what happens in beehives are very complex.

Although I have respect for lab feed analyses, and their ability to assist us in design, I have strong doubts that they tell us what we need to know about real-world performance with enough certainty to be considered more than just a guide in the right direction.

Also, you mention a "cooler warehouse". Not sure what you mean, what the temperature might be, or how that applies once the product leaves that cool environment, especially when outdoor temeratures are well over 70.

 

[BEES4U]

Re:
Well, go ahead, then, but let's assume,

See, there you are going off in another direction.
Let's stay on the topic and make a list of these chemical identities.
Ernie