[Keith Jarrett]

There is a very nice write up on bee nutrition by Dr. Zachary Huang in this months(aug) ABJ. I encourge everbody to take the time read the article. Zac, talks about bee health, what & should be use in subs,also what % fats, protein & lipids. Alot of good stuff in the article.

 

[Keith Jarrett]

One thing that seems to be lacking in knowledge

Thanks Nick, did you see where Zac mentions Stachyose is very toxic to bees over 4%, just keep useing that cheap tosted soy, there are a couple other reasons for not useing cheap soy products in your sub but thats for another thread.

PS. watch what you use for ingeredients

 

[Keith Jarrett]

It stated that the sugars (Stachyose) from soybeans are toxic over 4%.

RR, that's correct, Also alot of non-digestable in that low grade soy.

 

[Keith Jarrett]

Facts are facts, Wise beekeepers disregard hype and innuendo and use what has proven effective for themselves and others they trust and respect.

Amazing nutitional properties or inplied toxicity and other deficiencies in competing products are much more easily observed in marketing propaganda than in the actual beehive.
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If you would like Dick, I can put up the USDA (Jeff Pettis) charts up again on brood prodution?

I don't think Jeff or Zachary are pushing propaganda, just the facts.

All subs are not the same, there is no Propaganda as you say.

 

[Keith Jarrett]

Well Allen, sorry about getting you mixed up with Dick Allen from Alaska.

You can buy tosted soy at 45% protein OR, you can buy ISP soy at 93% protein with no stachyose the choice is yours.

That's why all subs are not the same, take a look at Randy Olivers web site with the lab charts of sub, Clearly a difference in subs.

 

[Keith Jarrett]

Do you know how your product rates after shipping and storage, or do you make sure it is consumed immediately?
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All most all the suppies that I use comes with a C/A of THREE YEARS when kept at 70 degrees or less.

I have also done lab work on my sample of sub that is over one year old that was kept in my cooler warehouse.... guess what, hardly changed.

I wouldn't use something if it sat for three years, but the supplier says it's ok.