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April 13, 2019: SOLD OUT!
April 27, 2019: $599 - only 20 left
May 18, 2019: $549 - only 27 left
June 1, 2019: $499 - 45 left

https://horizontalhive.com/buy-hive-bees/swarm-trap-top-bar-sale.shtml

Um...
Well.
Donno.

PS: scratching my head of what to make of it....
while back I did ask Leo if he is selling his queens (I'd take one maybe), but $599 for, essentially, a queen to be plugged into my "almond bee" infested slums - donno;
too much money - too much risk - no long-term guaranties.
 

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Curious things for sale on that website:

Wax foundation made from brood combs in Spain and small wax blocks from Appalachia that are specifically noted to be for use only by humans and not to be used for bees. What's up with that?

The book, Honey on the Earth, looks attractive, but still pricey ($65).

Of course, as Greg noted the nuc prices are shocking. But still, they include a Layens-sized, 7-frame nuc box, as well the usual two frames of brood and Her Majesty.

Nancy
 

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Curious things for sale on that website:

Wax foundation made from brood combs in Spain and small wax blocks from Appalachia that are specifically noted to be for use only by humans and not to be used for bees. What's up with that?

The book, Honey on the Earth, looks attractive, but still pricey ($65).

Of course, as Greg noted the nuc prices are shocking. But still, they include a Layens-sized, 7-frame nuc box, as well the usual two frames of brood and Her Majesty.

Nancy
Heck, I need to get into this "feral" bee selling fast!
Will sell my Layens-style nucs at 50% OFF.
Frames and all.
:)
 

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Another interesting question let says I set out a trap and a colony moved in. How do I tell that it is feral vs swamp from another keeper?

$85/frame. I just check my piggy bank and wonder if I can get couple of eggs for $10.00.
 

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The inclusion of the 7-frame Layens "nuc" is at least $150 of the cost, he sells the same model un-inhabited and without foundation for $150.
4 frames drawn out with 3 more with foundation. 14x16" dimensions for each frame, you're basically buying a hive.


I don't have the money to buy one I'm just saying it does make some sense. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

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Beeswax produced "deep in the Ozark wilderness" for only $50 a lb. But its not as bad as it sounds because a little of this stuff "goes a long ways". LOL. PT Barnum said it best........
 

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Something about crowds and silver linings. Unfortunately, money is not made of silver any more and there don't seem to be many crowds of beekeepers these days.
 

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How do I tell that it is feral vs swamp from another keeper?
You don't tell.
Well, you can easily tell the size of the bees - but that is where it stands.
Large bees are suggestive of commercial foundation and industrial beekeeping source.

Keep in mind - there are few keepers who keep bees on natural comb and have not treated their bees for the last 5-10 years and the bees are not dying like flies.
Heck, I would LOVE to capture a swarm from this keeper (I don't care if they are not exactly "feral" anymore, close enough as for me).
:)
 

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Wow, I looked at the web page that was for the 500.00 bees.... bees are high anyway, these bees must have gold pollen attached to their hind ends. Lol. Some folks with no common sense mabye, bit not me. I think the site or owner of site has dreams of getting rich fast, or has special bees. ?? Am I wrong, I'm a rookie, but....
 

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Suppose, there are cases where such a purchase makes sense.

All the frames and hives included are just a "value-added" gimmick.
Not worth it to me (I make those wares myself from free scraps).
In addition, they create compatibility issues for the buyer or force the need to buy into Layens equipment.

But - the bee material itself is of value.
I can see a purchase of 2-frame nuc (the queen, some brood included as backup, and some support stuff) for $200.
The frames should be standard for more flexible intake.
Something along this line is reasonable for those who after the material, IMO.
 

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I agree with you Greg. I make all.my equip. , except frames. I figure also that frames and equip should be standard stuff for compatibility. I guess the equip. With the bees would be helpful to.very newbees wanting that style of equipment. Im.into langstroth hives. I run all med. Stuff, and like it so far. No real issues with med. Frames in brood boxes either. I would really like to play with a top bar hive at some point. Just as a curiosity, but doable in a year or so.
 

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Since the wax is imported from Spain, they don't want you introducing it to any bees or hives as it could contain a pathogen we don't have in the states is my guess on why it's for human use only.
 

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It is all in the marketing.

The distinct name rang a bell. This is also the same person who wrote this article:

https://www.beeculture.com/selling-honey-20-pound/

I read this the year before last when my wife and I wanted to just do comb honey.

He also sells "aged for 3 years in the brood chamber" honey comb. According to him is "will rival the best of chocolates." And he makes a point that it contains cocoons and bee poop! [sic] and that is what makes it better.

My wife still jokes about the "chocolate" honey.
 

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My wife still jokes about the "chocolate" honey.
The bee pricing high and I would not buy such packaging as overpriced.
I would consider a better packaged product, like I said - the bee material itself is worthy I think.
The "value-added" wooden ware - not so much to me.

But no need to start kicking the "chocolate" honey now.

To be sure, I am totally on board with - "the brood chamber honey comb".
That's what I harvest.
We eat the "chocolate honey". Yep.

As well I harvest aged perga from the brood combs - for food.
Of course, I also do my own sourdough starter and bake my own bread with it.
Ferment my own kefir too.
These are all nasty looking, nasty smelling, fermented foods to most.
Fine with me.

The most expensive coffee in the world harvested from animal poop.
Just for a reference:
http://www.most-expensive.coffee/
 

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I thought bears were after brood and wax moths ate wax not honey.

If larval "poop" imparts a chocolate flavor to the honey I wonder what flavor mite poop does, of which I'll bet there is plenty.

If that is what people want to buy and consume, more power to them and him.

My Grandma used to say Billy Sol Estes could sell spots to a leopard.

Alex
 
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