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any input in regards to adding new hive boxes would be helpful, I am adding one today. There is a lot of bees, in the original box. I was told to "bring up" a frame of brood and one of honey, other than that, I just do not know, going on instincts here.

Thanks in advance.

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The supering method I have found that works best for me is. If you have any drawn comb add the box. During nectar flows they will move in quickly. After they start to fill the box I will check if the queen is laying in the super, if she is I will drive the bees down with smoke add a queen excluder and place an empty super below the full one. I will continue to add empty supers below the full ones. I have found that if a super is completely full of capped honey the bees will not move upward into an empty super above it. It has be said this is a honey crown or cap the bees view it as the top of the cavity and see no reason to move upward any further. By moving this honey cap they will continue to fill up the empty space.
As far as the queen excluder I dose seem to be a barrier to them if you place an excluder on and an empty box above it, however once they cross this boundary they will ignore it.
If you don’t have any drawn comb putting a frame of uncapped brood in the new super is a very good idea. You can also install the queen excluder right away because the nurse bees will move threw it to care for the brood.

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Thanks, all is well in my bee boxes, as far as I can tell.

We shall see.

I did however notice some bees with black bottoms, and smaller yellow stripes getting killed at the entrance, saved them as they hit the ground and plan on taking them to another bkpr to see what they have to say.

also wanted to know about feeding bees molasses mixed with water?

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Stay away form the molasses, it is indigestible to honeybees, and will cause dysentery, stick with cane or beet sugar.

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Hi bee-have,

It is good to think of 'what desired effect you are
promoting', and 'the best manipulation required to
encourage the desired effect', typically looking
forward up to 4 to 6 weeks or more.

Note: I say 'encourage' because a beekeepers
job is to make frame manipulations which will
encourage the desired effect (for bees can rarley
be forced), while at the same time, not create
an undesired effect by stressing them too much
in the process. Evey manipulation of a frame
may have a positive, negative, or no impact.

It appears from your post that the desired effect
you are promoting, is colony growth into a
second deep.

There are two ways I recommend to newbees
for promoting colony growth during the early

The first, is the safest and more conservative approach:
During the early nectar flow, I may just add a
second deep with comb or foundation. This
is perhaps the safest and most conservative
approach, which will not stress the bees, and
yet still achieve the desired results by letting
the colony expand up when it is good and ready.

Speaking in terms of negative or no impact:
Moving a frame of honey up into the second deep
which was advised to you, IMO has no practical reasoning
behind it, for it does little in the way of facilitating the
desired effect of promoting growth. By placing a frame
of honey there, it will tend to promote the area for storage
of nectar rather than broodnest expansion. Cells which take
up space with nectar may limit the queens laying space
and may impact colony growth.

The second is a little more aggressive approach:
During the early nectar flow, I recomend for colonies
having a good population, to bring up into
the center of the box to be added, two
frames of eggs/larvae, and replacing the
two removed frames below with foundation
or comb, sandwiched between frame of older
capped brood or older larvae/capped.

By placing two frames of eggs/larvae up into
the second deep, -it encourages the queen
to follow, and this will promote the desired
effect of broodnest expansion into comb built
in the second deep.

Best Wishes,
"The earlier settler and the bee were hand in hand,
and the former plundered the latter and the latter
stung the former with equal persistency"
-Bristol, Pennsylvania. -December, 4, 1890
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