from where?Maybe buying and propagating resistant stock?
In full disclosure, I have never obtained any resistant stock from outside my neighborhood.... how did the ones you obtained pan out in 1, year 2 years, 3 years?
looked at the site you kindly offered.In full disclosure, I have never obtained any resistant stock from outside my neighborhood.
In my first year back in beekeeping, I bought two 'small-cell' packages and they failed from PMS in the first season. To the seller's defense, they were never advertised as resistant.
If my results indicate that I need to change my current approach, I might start with some stock from Cory Stevens.
He is located about 100 miles west of me: Mite resistant honeybees | Stevens Bee Company LLC | Bloomfield
For many years Wisconsin had a lottery tax credit for homeowners. It was $50 or something like that. In order to receive the credit, you had to actively claim it by certifying you were a homeowner and thus eligible. The details escape me somewhat. I only ever received the credit once by mistake. The lottery is like robbing a blind person by pretending to be their friend. I can't take their money.Seriously, I despise lotteries and especially their promoters. Capitlalizing on human misery. encoraging people to think there is reasonable odds of return on their investment. There is not! Collectively people lose.
Trying different options and decisions by the process of elimination is not in the same league at all as lotteries. Here, each wrong answer if recorded, takes you closer to the goal.
I dont feel empowered by using time and resources in blind stabbing: most especially so if it is not even a known whether there is a cat in the bag at all!
I rather spend it on activities with smaller rewards but more certainty.
Morning @crofterI ranted about lotteries because they are to me, comparable to the "wishful thinking" that has driven much of the most talked about small scale aspirations that power the treatment free forums.
At a higher level the mechanism whereby an organism is tricked into working against itself own best interests is well known. The auto immune conditions such as rheumatoid arthritis etc. trigger the bodies defence system into self destruction. We have a very present reminder of this with the covid viruses. Science has come up with a counter and the virus changes tactics slightly. Extremely high tech and with expensive equipment.
Perhaps some mechanism could be triggered to make the mites defensive system similarly work against itself. Either high level experimentation or extremely unlikely blind luck could do the trick.
The latter is the most popular engagement and is what I consider buying lottery tickets. I see the most likelihood of positive developments coming from sources at a much, much higher level of technology and funding. Dabbing at the problem by a plumber with the tools and skill set of a plumber is not going to cut it. Now it is nice to have a plumber on hand if his services are required but please tell him not to touch any buttons unless instructed! Screen your plumbers and try to sort out the ones with delusions of grandeur! They could be very dangerous. Such experiments can go very bad!
I was considered a pretty handy pipefitter, mechanic, and equipment operator but I dont have any delusions about coming up with breakthroughs in genetic manipulations.
I can't resist (please forgive me)Morning @crofter
folks want to "make a difference" read save the planet, save the bees, save whatever...
the idea that they are here , eat, poop, and then not here, and have almost Zero impact, does not do the sense of self any happy juju. So we as mere humans engage in "something" to feel we have an impact.
My only impact will be a few birds and squirrels will thank me for the 50,000 trees I have planted.
dreaming can be entertainment, so there is always that.
Before I stopped listening to the said podcast for good, I still captured the Cory Stevents show.looked at the site you kindly offered.
Virgins and breeder queen AI only odd none open mated.
So he does not feel he has a good drone pool perhaps.
the virgins would use the same drones I have in the "Hood" so if they were not up to par how would they do in with a different Virgin, I wonder.
Any one here on BS get a Virgin from Cory Stevens and find when Mated they did not need to treat?
Greg:Back to the "Simple Four Steps" - do anyone claim to have "superior local genetics" worth mating to?
I feel majority people don't (even if they may feel otherwise).
no need for mating NUC makes a different price point for sure as well scaleBefore I stopped listening to the said podcast for good, I still captured the Cory Stevents show.
One of the claimed reasons "why virgins" was:
- the buyer would take full advantage of mating the virgin to their local drones - and thus the "superior local genetics" mating the virgin.
Still, I strongly suspect the main reason to market the virgins is - predictability and cheapness of production.
Once you factor out the hassles and costs around the queen mating, it is totally worth to just produce and sell the virgins by a dozen.
In fact, Cory Stevens himself takes the time to explain very well exactly that.
That is the real reason IMO.
The "superior local genetics" sounds good and that's about it - a good marketing blip.
Back to the "Simple Four Steps" - do anyone claim to have "superior local genetics" worth mating to?
I feel majority people don't (even if they may feel otherwise).
Absolutely so - Russ. Yes.Greg:
Good points to be sure. But if I might press the point a bit, would you concede that the Wilderness Apiary queen you imported did better for you than the stock you were finding in your own locale?
I concede that this approach is not a panacea, but sometimes we can be tempted to throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater.
So Greg, I'll split 20 virgins cost with you, , sent to @Fusion_power or @Litsinger, or someone else. they mate them in a "better area than we have"Absolutely so - Russ. Yes.
Of course, those genetics were wasted due to the "No Treatments" plan at my location - they could not resist my local circumstances.
I will always say - this is location dependent.
And so - those Cory Stevens virgins shipped to my location for the local mating will be a total waste.
Same as to most generic locations in the US - because such locations are clearly in majority.
However, people will buy this "superior" virgin queens not fully understanding the own situation.
IF anything, I will only ever buy a fully mated queen to import into my setting (and pay extra).
Heck, @Gray Goose, I was asking @gww a couple of years ago now - run a mating yard in his own backyard.So Greg, I'll split 20 virgins cost with you, , sent to @Fusion_power or @Litsinger, or someone else. they mate them in a "better area than we have"
they then send us 6 each, for our start, keeping 3 or 4 for them selves for the effort. 300 ish each for 6 mated VSH queens,, what do you think? 6 puppy mill queens would be 220 or so, not too much more.
it would be to me worth it to see what really happens, to there so called VSH queen in 22.
I would set up a new yards with clean bees for them to have a good go of it.
From my very humble vantage point, I think this is a sound idea. Cory discusses this concept in the following video (starting at about the 11:30 mark).IF anything, I will only ever buy a fully mated queen to import into my setting (and pay extra).
I'm game- but as my wife's uncle cautions, "I'm real cheap, but I'm not very good."So Greg, I'll split 20 virgins cost with you, , sent to @Fusion_power or @Litsinger, or someone else. they mate them in a "better area than we have"