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    Question amazingly stoopid mistake; so, can I kiss my honey super's harvest adieu?!

    Before working with my 2 strong hives and 2 splits today, I'd made a list of what I needed to do for each (OAD-treat most, feed most, check for swarm cells, etc). Especially, I was to not OAD-treat my 1 hive with a honey super. Fine.

    Maybe it was the heat, maybe the maddening several pissed-off guards that kept coming after me, whatever, but .... I treated the bottom 2 boxes of my honey-supered hive (the super is above box #3). I then realized my mistake, cussed some [at myself], and closed up that shop.

    So: should I now write off that super? The hive's been oxalic acid-treated, so from what I hear, you can't really harvest from a treated hive.

    Anybody aware of any (legal) alternatives -- other than just staying focused next time [if there is a next time]?

    That was just 1 of several really amoeba-brained errors I made with The Girls today. I know they were glad to see me leave. Hell, even I was.

    Mitch

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    Default Re: amazingly stoopid mistake; so, can I kiss my honey super's harvest adieu?!

    Mitch, to be clear, you did an OA dribble on a hive that has a honey super and you only dribbled the seams of the brood chamber? Take the super off for a day or two and then put it back on. It will be fine. I assume this is for personal consumption only? Let's not open up the oa in honey safety debate again folks. Well hashed out already.
    Thankfully, the bees are smarter than I am. They are doing well, in spite of my efforts to help them.

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    Default Re: amazingly stoopid mistake; so, can I kiss my honey super's harvest adieu?!

    I would consider oa drizzle to cast more shade on the honey than a vaporization treatment would. Either way against the letter of the law for the approval process on this continent. I think JWP advice would be safe.

    There are moves afoot to change regulations to bring them in line with Europe and others but you can be sure nothing will happen in that regard till the corona virus is in the rear view mirror.
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    Default Re: amazingly stoopid mistake; so, can I kiss my honey super's harvest adieu?!

    I wouldn't sell it but I would totally eat it myself. I eat tons of Oxalic acid everyday in my green drink and smoothies
    Feeding early patties. https://youtu.be/bUDd3vk7bgY

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    Default Re: amazingly stoopid mistake; so, can I kiss my honey super's harvest adieu?!

    Quote Originally Posted by JWPalmer View Post
    Mitch, to be clear, you did an OA dribble on a hive that has a honey super and you only dribbled the seams of the brood chamber? Take the super off for a day or two and then put it back on.
    at this point its pointless to take it off, and if you do you need to keep it off for at least 2 weeks... dribble is in most places in 10 min and coats EVERYTHING in the hive in about 30 min and is still present in the hive at strong levels and killing mites 14 days later
    Rademacher EtAl 2017 https://www.mdpi.com/2075-4450/8/3/84/pdf
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    Default Re: amazingly stoopid mistake; so, can I kiss my honey super's harvest adieu?!

    If you did anything other than dribble directly into the super, I would not lose any sleep over havesting the honey for my own use.
    So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.

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    Default Re: amazingly stoopid mistake; so, can I kiss my honey super's harvest adieu?!

    Quote Originally Posted by JWPalmer View Post
    Mitch, to be clear, you did an OA dribble on a hive that has a honey super and you only dribbled the seams of the brood chamber? Take the super off for a day or two and then put it back on. It will be fine. I assume this is for personal consumption only? Let's not open up the oa in honey safety debate again folks. Well hashed out already.
    I don't recall ever reading any posts about OA in honey; maybe I missed some big deposition on it? Out of curiosity, where would specific posts [with proven data] on that be seen in this Forum? If I enter "OA" in this website, it'll give me a zillion posts, and plenty'll not really be useful for what I'd want to know.Thx mucho ....

    Mitch

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    Default Re: amazingly stoopid mistake; so, can I kiss my honey super's harvest adieu?!

    Do a google search on Oxalic acid levels in honey after treatment. You may have to try a few variations in wording. One article I have seen was in either sweden or switzerland which seemed quite authentic.

    I have no doubt that after drizzle treatment the dispersion on hive surfaces is quite profound and resulting ph levels at the surface will be low. I have seen calculations done on the actual total amount of OA typically used divided into the weight of the honey beneath that surface area, and the resulting percentag levels will be quite negligible in relation to background levels of oxalic acid in most any honey.
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    Default Re: amazingly stoopid mistake; so, can I kiss my honey super's harvest adieu?!

    much obliged, croft!

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    Default Re: amazingly stoopid mistake; so, can I kiss my honey super's harvest adieu?!

    Quote Originally Posted by mlanden View Post
    Before working with my 2 strong hives and 2 splits today, I'd made a list of what I needed to do for each (OAD-treat most, feed most, check for swarm cells, etc). Especially, I was to not OAD-treat my 1 hive with a honey super. Fine.

    Maybe it was the heat, maybe the maddening several pissed-off guards that kept coming after me, whatever, but .... I treated the bottom 2 boxes of my honey-supered hive (the super is above box #3). I then realized my mistake, cussed some [at myself], and closed up that shop.

    So: should I now write off that super? The hive's been oxalic acid-treated, so from what I hear, you can't really harvest from a treated hive.

    Anybody aware of any (legal) alternatives -- other than just staying focused next time [if there is a next time]?

    That was just 1 of several really amoeba-brained errors I made with The Girls today. I know they were glad to see me leave. Hell, even I was.

    Mitch
    Mark the super, leave it for winter feed, if you are worried. You dribbled box 1 and box 2 this is box 4 correct?? once you realized , why did you put it back on. Left off it would be untreated correct? Shake the bees out of it store for a week or 2 add it back on.
    GG

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    Default Re: amazingly stoopid mistake; so, can I kiss my honey super's harvest adieu?!

    Quote Originally Posted by mlanden View Post
    Anybody aware of any (legal) alternatives -- other than just staying focused next time [if there is a next time]?

    I was.

    Mitch
    My son has ADD, he says a few "tokes" before what he needs to do helps him SUPER Focus. Course we are in MASS so it is, legal...
    -Linda

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    Default Re: amazingly stoopid mistake; so, can I kiss my honey super's harvest adieu?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger19687 View Post
    My son has ADD, he says a few "tokes" before what he needs to do helps him SUPER Focus. Course we are in MASS so it is, legal...
    Funny -- but I doubt I could get away with that here (NC). Maybe if I chug a btl of my home-made limoncello next time before visiting The Girls......

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    Default Re: amazingly stoopid mistake; so, can I kiss my honey super's harvest adieu?!

    -Linda

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    Default Re: amazingly stoopid mistake; so, can I kiss my honey super's harvest adieu?!

    Quote Originally Posted by mlanden View Post
    Funny -- but I doubt I could get away with that here (NC). Maybe if I chug a btl of my home-made limoncello next time before visiting The Girls......
    If I did that I think I would develop the dropsies with the frames..

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    Default Re: amazingly stoopid mistake; so, can I kiss my honey super's harvest adieu?!

    The little bit I sampled of that mexican alfalfa sure didn't improve my concentration!
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