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    Default Re: A sign of the times

    Quote Originally Posted by JWPalmer View Post
    Can you provide a source for that? If it is a symptom, even in only some people, it is not listed as such in either the CDC or the WHO websites. Diarrhea is a side effect of someone taking antibiotics, which of course have no affect on viruses. In fact, excessive use of antibiotics can cause C-diff, which might make Covid -19 seem like a walk in the park.



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    https://www.cdc.gov › cdiff › what-is
    I'll try to find the reference.

    Here's one: https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...oms-of-covid19

    And another: https://www.popsci.com/story/health/...toms-cold-flu/
    Last edited by jonsl; 03-16-2020 at 05:18 PM. Reason: found reference

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    Quote Originally Posted by dudelt View Post
    I would also say we are not taking the right path on this. At 63, I am in one of the "vulnerable" age groups. But I am not sequestering myself. I am washing my hands more than usual but refuse to live like a prisoner. Building up a strong immune system is one of the keys to good health. Exposure to bacteria and viruses is the way to keep it strong.

    The politicians can give the best advice science and other advisors can give but it is up to you to decide what you will do with your life. Since I am in good health, with no known health issues, I am not worried about what will happen if I catch the disease. Think about what the politicians have to go through. Tell people to expose themselves to the disease to build up immunity and as soon as one child dies from it, that politician will forever be known as "The baby killer". They are in a no win situation.
    Here is an article that explains the reasoning to minimize your movement based on what has happened in Italy:

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/...do-what-we-did

    I would say that your attitude is selfish and being healthy is not a protection it is only a hope with this virus.

    And not everyone has the choice of being healthy. There are plenty of people that are immune compromised through no fault of their own and are at high risk of having a bad outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonsl View Post
    I would say that your attitude is selfish and being healthy is not a protection it is only a hope with this virus.
    I didn't read it like that - more in the spirit of: "thank goodness I'm healthy, etc ... "

    BTW - I think the run on toilet paper is more to do with people using soft bog rolls instead of Kleenex - at least that's what I used to use when I had the sniffles. But - haven't had a cold for years - which probably means I'm due for one any day now ...
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    I think that if a person believes they have been exposed or is exhibiting symptoms and refuses to self-quarantine, that is being both selfish and reckless. A person who has not been exposed or has no reason to believe they have been, and is not showing any sympoms is not being selfish or reckless if they choose not to live their life cowering in fear. Risk factors also play a role in these decisions. My 84 year old father in law is staying indoors and away from others as he should. My son, who is a cardiac nurse at a local hospital, is not visiting his 4 year old daughter until things have stabilized. These are prudent measures.

    The reality is that the sooner healthy individuals catch, endure, and recover from this disease, without spreading it to at-risk members of our population, the sooner this world will return to normal. Maybe then I can find a roll of Charmin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by little_john View Post
    I didn't read it like that - more in the spirit of: "thank goodness I'm healthy, etc ... "

    BTW - I think the run on toilet paper is more to do with people using soft bog rolls instead of Kleenex - at least that's what I used to use when I had the sniffles. But - haven't had a cold for years - which probably means I'm due for one any day now ...
    LJ
    So that is what this means: "But I am not sequestering myself", "..but it is up to you to decide what you will do with your life"?

    Those people in Washington state in the nursing home who died from the virus didn't seem to have a choice in what they did with their lives.

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    Default Re: A sign of the times

    same with my parents 82and8, dad is a bit worried. they're hiding out for as long as possible. they live in the mtns in az and nearest stores are 50 miles away, bums me out not being able to be there and help
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonsl View Post
    Those people in Washington state in the nursing home who died from the virus didn't seem to have a choice in what they did with their lives.
    You are absolutely correct. While I am not familiar with the particulars of how the disease ended up in the nursing home, somebody who had reason to believe they had been exposed, ie, "hey, I just got back from my trip to Wuhan" probably should not have made a visit to dear old dad in the nursing home upon their return. That was reckless and showed an utter disregard for the safety of others. Not sure that a healthy person choosing not becoming a recluse meets the same measure.
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    I think I will buy a hand pump for my well, maybe a solar panel to run my spare 12 vdc pump, then a rifle, got fishing poles. I do have my water filter from my backpacking days and iodine pills. I wonder how I ever survived the 40's and 50's as a kid - aaah to be young again . This I am not kidding about - there was nothing worse than seeing a buddy with Polio. Good thing we played in the sewer outfall - great worming spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWPalmer View Post
    You are absolutely correct. While I am not familiar with the particulars of how the disease ended up in the nursing home, somebody who had reason to believe they had been exposed, ie, "hey, I just got back from my trip to Wuhan" probably should not have made a visit to dear old dad in the nursing home upon their return. That was reckless and showed an utter disregard for the safety of others. Not sure that a healthy person choosing not becoming a recluse meets the same measure.
    The point is that it is contagious even when there are no symptoms.

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    NY, NJ and CT declared a curfew in coordination today, 8 PM - 5 AM, until further notice. All restaurants and gyms closed starting at 8 PM today until further notice. All schools and universities closed starting Wednesday until further notice.
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    All dine in eating and bars are closed for the next 30 days in colorado. Take out and delivery is still allowed.

    I am now working from home part/most time. I have some stuff that I can not do from home and will have to go into work sometime, but they are limiting the number of people at work to reduce the risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonsl View Post
    So that is what this means: "But I am not sequestering myself", "..but it is up to you to decide what you will do with your life"?

    Those people in Washington state in the nursing home who died from the virus didn't seem to have a choice in what they did with their lives.
    There is a huge difference between "sequestering" and coming into close contact with other people. The spread is being caused by person-to-person close contact - if that can be avoided then the virus will have nowhere to spread to (hopefully).

    The main cause of this virus spread however has been international travel, especially by air. For some strange reason (commercial perhaps ?), no-one appears to be focusing upon that. Air travel would appear to be sacrosanct in modern society.

    With regard to 'at risk' groups and fatalities - the common denominator is existing poor health, not old age (although older people do tend to have poorer health than the young). A medical specialist over here recently commented - in response to a Government diktat that ALL 70-year-olds should self-isolate - that a 50-year old who is heavily overweight, who smokes and perhaps suffers from diabetes or asthma is at far greater risk than a 70 year-old who is in reasonably good shape.

    I think it's important to recognise that we're going to be in this situation for the long haul, and that - generally speaking - it's better to have more modest restrictions that people are willing to adhere to, than impose draconian conditions that some people will flaunt or rebel against in (say) 2 or 3 month's time when the novelty of self-isolation has worn off, and people have started to become 'stir-crazy'. I believe this to be a part of the thinking behind the UK's more laissez-faire approach to this pandemic when compared with that taken by other European countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crab414 View Post
    I'm with you Beemandan. Our kids are no longer allowed to go outside and play or get dirty. They don't build up their immune systems because their homes are super clean with purified air cleaners and no pets are allowed! We as a society are so far removed from how our grandparents had lived. Just imagine living with tb, whooping cough, measles and on and on.
    I agree with you and JW on the everyday and general immunity benefit, but it has it's limits. It did not help me with scarlet Fever in the 5th grade, that was penicillin. It did not help me with Lyme to the point of hallucinations last summer, that was doxy something.

    Today, I might make the cut in a short triage line. A long line, pretty sure I would not. Give me a few more years and that line better be pretty short.
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    The threat of Covid19 is real. At this time, some U.S. hospitals are overwhelmed with patients. The best option for beating it is to self-isolate. This requires food and water and yes, some tp. But nothing about the hoarding of hand cleansers and tp and bottled water makes sense. Bottled water is useful if you don't have access to clean drinking water, something that is relatively rare anywhere in the U.S. Tp will be used up over time so it won't go to waste, but I don't see how having 700 rolls in your spare closet is going to help one bit with Covid19. Food on the other hand, especially durable items like canned goods, makes sense to have enough to last at least a month and perhaps two if Covid19 hangs around for a while. Why then is it that tp and water shelves at my local Walmart are empty while the food shelves are nearly full?

    Full disclaimer, I'm one of those people who tend to have a well stocked pantry at all times and have it especially full at present. I garden and can my own tomatoes, beans, and other vegetables. I also have a deep freezer full of corn on the cob, blueberries, meats, etc.
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    A good read with a demonstration why the "social distancing" is important - it is to mitigate the hard, limited capacity of the system to take in the sick:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ge%2Fstory-ans

    Rationing in the US - COVID-19 will show really well how US is a really fragile, inefficient system with useless politicians - a stone giant on clay legs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fusion_power View Post
    ....Why then is it that tp and water shelves at my local Walmart are empty while the food shelves are nearly full?....
    Because most of the US residents are like a dodo bird - don't really have a sense of reality anymore.
    A good doze of reality is due.

    I too have two chest freezers full of food, mostly of my own production.
    Lots of dried foods too.
    New food growing season is almost here!
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    I live out in 'the middle of nowhere', so likewise am always stocked up with essentials. I've two freezers - one holds two week's supply of bread and frozen veg. The other is normally left empty just in case I need to freeze combs before storage, but right now is currently full to the brim with sliced & stoned plums. Last year produced a bumper crop, and I'd recently learned that they can be used in cooking - so I squirreled several bucketfuls away. The rest are fermenting in barrels (hic).

    Personally, I don't have any issues with self-isolating as it's more or less my normal lifestyle - providing that is, I can obtain fresh food from time to time. Living on an acreage, there's more than enough to occupy my time with maintenance and beekeeping - the people I feel sorry for are those in cities. Imagine being cooped-up in a flat (apartment) for weeks at a time with nothing to do except pace up and down, wearing out the carpet ... Doesn't bear thinking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fusion_power View Post

    Full disclaimer, I'm one of those people who tend to have a well stocked pantry at all times and have it especially full at present. I garden and can my own tomatoes, beans, and other vegetables. I also have a deep freezer full of corn on the cob, blueberries, meats, etc.
    That's how we are except the raccoons got our corn.

    We are staying home to lessen our risk of exposure. We are fortunate to be able to do so. We are not in the habit of going to town often anyway, so staying home is not a burden.

    Good luck to all and your families.
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    Those of us that live in a modern country and are blessed with many freedoms, have the ability to make choices. Most often the choices we make determine our destiny. If we chose to abuse ourselves with drugs, alcohol, “live for today- tomorrow be damned”.....our destiny will likely be a short journey!

    The same can be said for living a life of convenience. Public transportation, nearby shopping for every imaginable need/desire, paved streets/sidewalks, high rise apartments stacked together like cord-wood, homes with little to no yards/property to maintain, preferring a nice office job over sweat and calluses, our every want/need at our fingertips.....until!!!!

    When that “until” time comes, those of us that chose to sacrifice the ease of city living, chose self reliance over convenience, chose a rural lifestyle, chose preparation over “live for today - tomorrow be damned”..... we may be the one’s that will enjoy tomorrow. In fact, perhaps many tomorrow’s.

    We chose the latter! So, we’ll “hunker down” right here at the compound, ......looking forward to tomorrow! memtb

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    I think we may see a rebirth of community co operation. Mother and Dad and grandparents used to talk about a lot of good times too during the great depression. The house parties and harvest sharing, butchering, wood cutting, cutting and putting up ice from the lakes. Lots of very hard work but there was something everyone in the community could contribute. Too many of our population is marginalized in our present system. Having nothing to do, no source of pride, etc., is not a good place to be.

    We dont depend much on organized entertainment or groupie activity anyway, so we are not too worried about going stir crazy. If this stretches into summer we will do a lot more gardening and canning etc., which we have gotten lazy about.

    When I was feeding our horse this morning I told Serena I had to take good care of her in case we had to eat her if times got hard. She didn't look too concerned.
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