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    Gww, this of course points back to the lack of direct democracy in the u.s. at the federal level. Didn't the current POTUS loose by about 3,000,000 votes? And isn't that how the last republican president got elected? It is possible to play by the rules and do that (I'm not saying they did or didnt). But it would not be something to pay you self on the back about. It comes very close to cheating. What if the tied ball game was decided by how many pigeons roost on whose dugout rather than counting runs? Or maybe after counting points they could count pigeon "runs" dripped on the roof....

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    And isn't that how the last republican president got elected?

    Well not that simply and not without a lot of planning (scheming if you are on the losing side). Had a conversation with one of the evaluators of the value of the Naval Air Station just after the mid 90s round of base closures was announced. I was speaking of the strategic value of Brunswick Naval Air Station and on the further impact of the closing on the Coast Guard. He stopped me; Had nothing to do with the military value, it was all about getting 15k conservative voters into Florida where there votes counted. Bush 2 should thank him and Gingrich. That snake Gingrich did plan ahead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWPalmer View Post
    Sometimes even when you win, you have to pay, dearly. I still have my original Nixon Now bumper sticker in a scrapbook somewhere.

    If you are doing the math, I was not quite old enough to vote back then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWPalmer View Post
    Republicans wish for the same thing. And for him to stop tweeting. But if that is the price one has to pay, oh well.
    Sounds a lot like joyriding in a car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWPalmer View Post
    Republicans wish for the same thing. And for him to stop tweeting. But if that is the price one has to pay, oh well.
    I am an unapologetic conservative.....not a Republican. Frankly, I’m glad he “tweets”....though perhaps a little less crude at times, would be nice! At least we can see/hear what he is thinking....rather than have it ignored, or completely misrepresented by our far left press. Anyone that is remotely aware, as per Saul Alinsky’s book - Rules for Radicals, should note that taking over the educational system, and the news media are among the first steps toward socialism/communism. Add to this the creation of the “welfare state” and we’re well on our way. His Saul Alinsky) ideology, The Communist Manifesto, is very alive and well in the large population centers of the USA. When we have allowed ourselves to become dependent upon and comfortable with “big government”, as the larger population centers have......we like the concept of someone else (government) ruling every aspect of our lives! Again, Thank God, there are still some in this nation that have some desire to remain somewhat self-sufficient and independent from”mob rule” (complete democracy).

    Also, Thank God for the Electoral College....it performed “exactly” as designed. It prevented a few large population bases, that have become very comfortable with anti-Constitutional ideology.....from dominating the process of a Democratic Republic. memtb

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    It is telling how the losing side in a close election clamors for change to the Electoral College, but they never fight for it, because they know that one day soon it may work to their advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildbranch2007 View Post
    I have my AUH2O that was in my school locker back in the day, and no one complained about politics in school back then
    You mean when Social Studies class was about political theories. The good , the bad , and the BS of each of them. Took a good teacher though, to keep it from just yelling or naptime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Memtb View Post
    I am an unapologetic conservative.....not a Republican. Frankly, I’m glad he “tweets”....though perhaps a little less crude at times, would be nice! At least we can see/hear what he is thinking....rather than have it ignored, or completely misrepresented by our far left press. Anyone that is remotely aware, as per Saul Alinsky’s book - Rules for Radicals, should note that taking over the educational system, and the news media are among the first steps toward socialism/communism. Add to this the creation of the “welfare state” and we’re well on our way. His Saul Alinsky) ideology, The Communist Manifesto, is very alive and well in the large population centers of the USA. When we have allowed ourselves to become dependent upon and comfortable with “big government”, as the larger population centers have......we like the concept of someone else (government) ruling every aspect of our lives! Again, Thank God, there are still some in this nation that have some desire to remain somewhat self-sufficient and independent from”mob rule” (complete democracy).

    Also, Thank God for the Electoral College....it performed “exactly” as designed. It prevented a few large population bases, that have become very comfortable with anti-Constitutional ideology.....from dominating the process of a Democratic Republic. memtb
    Do a little research. You will find that these big population centers pay more taxes than federal benefits they receive per capita. And the Electoral College is dominating the "Democratic Republic". It's not democracy when my vote is worth less than yours. It may be convenient for you but anti-democratic none the less.

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    Federalism did not die with the Civil War. Two Senators per state is the strongest holdover. Electoral College ? Mixed feelings are growing about that. Is kind of anti "United".

    (Federalism as in the Federation of States)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonsl View Post
    Do a little research. You will find that these big population centers pay more taxes than federal benefits they receive per capita. And the Electoral College is dominating the "Democratic Republic". It's not democracy when my vote is worth less than yours. It may be convenient for you but anti-democratic none the less.


    Don’t complain about taxes....your neighbors voted for those taxes, and those taxes helped pay for the roads that can take you to a location of less taxes. Also, much of the “flyover” country produces the vast majority of national income through oil, gas, and coal that is taken from federal lands. So, while as an individual, I may pay less in taxes.....these states pay much toward the comforts that many think are owed them!

    Just to be clear....we are not a democracy! Again, Thank God! memtb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Memtb View Post
    Don’t complain about taxes....your neighbors voted for those taxes, and those taxes helped pay for the roads that can take you to a location of less taxes. Also, much of the “flyover” country produces the vast majority of national income through oil, gas, and coal that is taken from federal lands. So, while as an individual, I may pay less in taxes.....these states pay much toward the comforts that many think are owed them!

    Just to be clear....we are not a democracy! Again, Thank God! memtb
    So you're saying you don't believe in democracy, sounds very un-American. By the way, Wyoming is screwed along with the 10 other states that pay more in taxes than they receive. I guess your congressional representatives aren't doing their jobs. Here's an article that gives a state by state accounting:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/fede...te-2019-1?op=1

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonsl View Post
    So you're saying you don't believe in democracy, sounds very un-American. By the way, Wyoming is screwed along with the 10 other states that pay more in taxes than they receive. I guess your congressional representatives aren't doing their jobs. Here's an article that gives a state by state accounting:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/fede...te-2019-1?op=1

    Apparently you fail to comprehend that....we, the US is a Democratic Republic, not a democracy! A few hours in civics classes should explain!

    I’m not complaining about taxes.....those living in “big government” socialist leaning states, are the ones complaining about taxes! memtb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Memtb View Post
    Apparently you fail to comprehend that....we, the US is a Democratic Republic, not a democracy! A few hours in civics classes should explain!

    I’m not complaining about taxes.....those living in “big government” socialist leaning states, are the ones complaining about taxes! memtb
    Perhaps you should read up on this yourself:

    Definition from Merriam-Webster dictionary

    democracy noun

    de·​moc·​ra·​cy | \ di-ˈmä-krə-sē
    \
    plural democracies
    Definition of democracy

    1a : government by the people especially : rule of the majority
    b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
    2 : a political unit that has a democratic government

    Synonyms for democracy

    Synonyms

    republic, self-government, self-rule

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    I'm not complaining about taxes. I have done quite well for myself and don't mind paying the taxes. However, let me point something out to you about the fly over states that are producing so much in your opinion. If you look at the link above you will see that West Virginia has a large net per capita. Why is that? Because they get large federal subsidies for the coal industry which you an I pay for being from negative net states. The heartland agriculture states have net per capita also. Why? Because they get large farm subsidies that you and I pay for. So which are the socialist leaning states here?

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    Does anyone posting their political opinions here believe that the expression of those opinions will change a single opposing opinion?
    Trust me….not a soul has been swayed. This is futile.
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    Is there anyone posting their political opinions here who believes that the half of the electorate in this country who voted for the opposing candidate are universally drooling idiots?
    Doesn’t matter which side you take….if this is your belief you may want to wipe your mouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beemandan View Post
    Is there anyone posting their political opinions here who believes that the half of the electorate in this country who voted for the opposing candidate are universally drooling idiots?
    Doesn’t matter which side you take….if this is your belief you may want to wipe your mouth.

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    Jonsl,

    Perhaps you should read 1a - rule of the majority

    Here’s a chart showing in simple form the difference between a Republic and democracy. We are a blend of the two! memtb




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    beemandan,

    No.... merely “brainwashed” idiots, that are well educated in the government controlled public school system that follows the ideology of Lennon and Marx! memtb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Memtb View Post
    beemandan,

    No.... merely “brainwashed” idiots, that are well educated in the government controlled public school system that follows the ideology of Lennon and Marx! memtb
    Not particularly interested in the politics but am curious about where you got your education?
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