Is Creamed Honey Starter "Special"
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  1. #1
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    Default Is Creamed Honey Starter "Special"

    As most of us have discovered honey eventually crystallizes. Some just naturally stiffen up with a nice fine texture and others very coarse and gritty. My honey is fairly acceptable in this regard and I have seeded it with some Billy Bee creamed honey and it then is excellent. Just dont like the idea of buying it off the store shelf. Is the Billy Bee essentially different or is it only the way it was stirred (or ground) while it was developing. Could I seed further batches of my creamed honey with previous creamed batches?

    Just wondering if my honey was slowly and continuously stirred while kept at the magic 57 F. temperature, would it set up with the finer texture?
    Frank

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    Default Re: Is Creamed Honey Starter "Special"

    Like you, for my first batches of creamed honey, I used a commercial product as seed. After that first year, I just set aside a few 5 lbs. batches of my own for the next year's seed. The key to getting a smooth product is to first heat the honey to dissolve all the natural coarse crystals. 15 minutes at 150 degrees will do it. Then let it cool to something below 100 degrees, add your fine seed and stir well. If you stir well, no need to stir when you are pouring. You can pour at 90 degrees but let it set up at the 'magic' 57 degrees, or so.
    Lloyd Spear

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    Default Re: Is Creamed Honey Starter "Special"

    Does it hurt if it is colder, say 40 degrees, and what effect does that have on it?

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    Default Re: Is Creamed Honey Starter "Special"

    57F. is supposed to be the most conducive temp. Dont know what a difference above or below would cause. I am thinking I would pick up an old working freezer and cobble up temperature control that would hold it to the 57F. range. Quite simple with one of the control units like Joerg and Johno use on their band heater vaporizers.

    If I works I would like to creme a good portion of my honey at extraction time instead of having to mess around with decrystallizing later as a second operation. Bottling and handling honey is not the thrill it used to be in the first years!
    Frank

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    Default Re: Is Creamed Honey Starter "Special"

    I read that the reason for the name, spun honey, is because the honey is stirred slowly as it cools to keep the crystals from touching and thereby sticking to each other forming larger crystals.
    I started with a very nice seed honey and have saved some of mine each year for seed, but with each subsequent batch, it becomes a little more coarse.
    I have been wondering if an ice cream maker could be geared down to turn very slowly.

    Alex
    Ten years of Beekeeping before varroa. Started again spring of 2014.

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    Default Re: Is Creamed Honey Starter "Special"

    Quote Originally Posted by AHudd View Post
    I read that the reason for the name, spun honey, is because the honey is stirred slowly as it cools to keep the crystals from touching and thereby sticking to each other forming larger crystals.
    I started with a very nice seed honey and have saved some of mine each year for seed, but with each subsequent batch, it becomes a little more coarse.
    I have been wondering if an ice cream maker could be geared down to turn very slowly.

    Alex
    Good question Alex. I had thought about even re-circulating the batch of honey through a slowed down brass gear pump. Kind of a grinding, smearing action.
    Frank

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