Will new foundations work in a swarm?
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  1. #1
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    Default Will new foundations work in a swarm?

    I have a hive body to use as a swarm trap, if I put 10 new frames with foundations in it will it work or will the cavity appear to be to small because the scout bees cannot fly back and forth to measure the volume?

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    Default Re: Will new foundations work in a swarm?

    I tried it last year. Took two boxes to spots that usually catch a couple of swarms each a year. Did not catch anything. I saw some light scouting, but no takers. I am chalking it up to your theory of measurement. I have no idea what a bee thinks, but I am guessing they do not see foundation as potential comb, but only an obstruction.

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    Default Re: Will new foundations work in a swarm?

    If you don't have a frame or two of black drawn comb (preferably no pollen in cells), I would think you would be better off (odds wise) just using one or two frames with foundation, and the rest FL.
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    Default Re: Will new foundations work in a swarm?

    Thanks for the advice. I will try 2 frames in the middle or would the side be better, that way the cavity would appear to be even bigger.
    What does FL stand for?

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    Default Re: Will new foundations work in a swarm?

    Sorry, FL stands for foundation less.. I would put the two foundation frames in the middle, separated by one FL frame, and fill the rest of the box, but it may not matter.
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    Default Re: Will new foundations work in a swarm?

    Quote Originally Posted by fieldsofnaturalhoney View Post
    Sorry, FL stands for foundation less.. I would put the two foundation frames in the middle, separated by one FL frame, and fill the rest of the box, but it may not matter.
    From my very humble perspective, this is good advice. That is the approach I would take.
    Ecclesiastes 11:4

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    Default Re: Will new foundations work in a swarm?

    I have heard of one swarm catch into a new hive with wax foundation but that was blind luck. I suggest at least two frames of black comb.
    All of my opinions and suggestions are based on my five decades of actual beekeeping,
    not so much on book learning, watching YouTube videos nor reading internet sites.

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    Default Re: Will new foundations work in a swarm?

    My traps could hold 18 med but are arranged like this in 3 layers. 6 out of 11 last year.

    2F 1 comb 3F
    6FL
    Empty

    F=Foundation
    FL= foundationless with wood starter strips

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    Default Re: Will new foundations work in a swarm?

    I want to thank everyone for their responses; you have saved me from wasting a swarm catching season.

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