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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Welch's frozen concentrate grape juice discontinued

    I doubt the amount of sulfite found in store bought grape juice or concentrate is higher than what winemakers put in the grape "must" to kill any wild yeast & bacteria before adding their desired yeast. Just make it with the store bought juice or concentrate and it'll likely work just fine. I've done it in the past without any problems.
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    Default Re: Welch's frozen concentrate grape juice discontinued

    I went to Food Lion today and looked at the Old Orchard brand grape juice concentrate. Grape juice, citric acid, and ascorbic acid. No sulfites. $2.49 per12 oz can. Bought 5. This does not say 100% Concorde Grape like the Welch's did IIRC, so it may be a blend. Need to get yeast and will see how it works.
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    Hey there, my experience with Old Orchard was the yeast would not start because of the acid content. Thought I lost 5 gallons. Rather than trashing it, I sprinkled some baking soda into it to neutralize the acid. No science to my method, only desperation. I don't remember how much added. It wasn't much, as I was worried about the flavor. It took off like mad. Prior to that it had set 2 months without fermenting. I know the wine stores make a acid modifier, but I used what I had on hand. I want to say like a teaspoon per gallon, or a couple of tablespoons for the batch. Turned out well.

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    Default Re: Welch's frozen concentrate grape juice discontinued

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldironman View Post
    Hey there, my experience with Old Orchard was the yeast would not start because of the acid content. Thought I lost 5 gallons. Rather than trashing it, I sprinkled some baking soda into it to neutralize the acid. No science to my method, only desperation. I don't remember how much added. It wasn't much, as I was worried about the flavor. It took off like mad. Prior to that it had set 2 months without fermenting. I know the wine stores make a acid modifier, but I used what I had on hand. I want to say like a teaspoon per gallon, or a couple of tablespoons for the batch. Turned out well.
    Baking soda is actually on the list of food grade ph adjusting products. The acidity may indeed be the fermentation killer in the juices.
    Here is one list of ph adjusters https://compoundingtoday.com/pHAdjust/
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    Default Re: Welch's frozen concentrate grape juice discontinued

    what would make these other juice's have more acid content than the welch's is it just a different blend of grapes or are they adding something

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    Default Re: Welch's frozen concentrate grape juice discontinued

    Lake, the Old Orchard lists the citric and ascorbic acids as added ingredients. Had not thought about pH, but it makes sense, just like adding lemon juice when I can tomatoes. Sodium bicarbonate to increase the alkalinity sounds like a plan. I wonder if the home brew store sells pH strips?
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