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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by clyderoad View Post
    I'm overwhelmed by the irony here !!
    My kid in the class of middle-school Geography (!!!!!) is studying Israeli-Palestinian politics (what on Earth???) INSTEAD of the most fundamental, basic concepts of global climate and ecology (oh, .... and general global mapping concepts, for bees' sake - that is what the Geography is - "The Study of the Earth").

    That is called - mis-education.
    I want to scream.
    I should run for the local school board (instead of venting on BS).

    Yes - lots and lots, and lots of irony.
    Former "smoker boy". Classic, square 12 frame Dadants >> Long hive/Short frame/chemical-free experimentations.

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  3. #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloverdale View Post
    Yes, I agree with you, it is tiresome. But the upside is they will eventually find out for themselves and be better beekeepers, or they’ll give it up.
    Unfortunately, we are looking at a more general issue here.
    This is just one indication of the same.
    Backyard beekeeping is peanuts (smoke or no smoke).
    Former "smoker boy". Classic, square 12 frame Dadants >> Long hive/Short frame/chemical-free experimentations.

  4. #23
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    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 42y 40h 39yTF

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    Default Re: Against Smoking Bees

    RW,
    On your website, I think you mean pheromones, not hormones.
    Also, bees do indeed collect pollen, but in order to make honey they need to also collect nectar.

    Many people do not use smoke at all to collect honey. Many use bee escape boards, etc.

    I suggest visiting a bee supply co. website. A lot can be gleaned from learning about the tools we use. Dadant or MannLake are two of the larger ones.

    Good luck,
    Alex
    Ten years of Beekeeping before varroa. Started again spring of 2014.

  6. #25
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    Default Re: Against Smoking Bees

    Ryan, first I welcome you to this forum, but then I have to say: now you take the liberty to mess-up a whole school class or more? Shame on you! Get educated first before you make statements. Some very good info in the replies to your thread and I hope you use them. Also, if you do what you preach, try the all out organic method of beekeeping: no close, no tools, no smoke and work only ten hives in mid summer with four supers on. You will be converted very quickly.

    Seasons Greetings to you!
    Summ Summ Bienchen summ herum

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    Default Re: Against Smoking Bees

    Quote Originally Posted by GregV View Post
    Misdirection based on misinformation.

    Too many mis-educated educators.
    Quote Originally Posted by clyderoad View Post
    I'm overwhelmed by the irony here !!
    LOL Clyde
    "Every viewpoint, is a view from a point." - Solomon Parker

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    LOL Clyde
    You are keenly perceptive

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    Another ridiculous premise guided on baseless opinions.
    My opinions are based on whatever OD Frank says because he thinks he knows everything!

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    Default Re: Against Smoking Bees

    I don't see any evidence, data, or experience to back up the assumption. RyanW121- Have you been around bees to notice the problems that are alleged?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clyderoad View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GregV View Post
    Misdirection based on misinformation.
    Too many mis-educated educators.
    I'm overwhelmed by the irony here !!
    I see your snark scope is still sighted-in...amazing. Is that a NJ thing?

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    Default Re: Against Smoking Bees

    I sometimes use MEADOW MUFFINS (dried cow turd) for smoker fuel... does that make my smoke organic? There is NO way you can assure bees have not visited flowers that have never had pesticide on them so you cannot PROVE organic honey exists. If you use enough smoke that neighbors call the fire department then you may mask odors enough that the bees are a little confused but that goes away pretty quickly. Bees orient to the hive entrance so they do not get lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregV View Post
    My kid in the class of middle-school Geography (!!!!!) is studying Israeli-Palestinian politics (what on Earth???) INSTEAD of the most fundamental, basic concepts of global climate and ecology (oh, .... and general global mapping concepts, for bees' sake - that is what the Geography is - "The Study of the Earth").

    That is called - mis-education.
    I want to scream.
    What do you expect in the PRM? (People's Republic of Madison)

    I graduated there in '92. It was bad then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryanwilliamson121 View Post
    This is a class assignment that I made discussing why we should ban the use of smoke on bees.

    https://ryanwilliamson121.wixsite.com/bees
    find something else to do.. learn to lay bricks no smoke there

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    Zero data to support claims simply anecdotal statements

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Novice View Post
    What do you expect in the PRM? (People's Republic of Madison)

    I graduated there in '92. It was bad then.
    It is a suburb, not even the Mad-proper.
    The same.
    I, however, will say - this is a much more general problem, not just PRM's.
    Lack of consistent, general, fact-based education at the basic school level is overwhelming (of course, such edu can be boring, too hard, and usually not sexy).
    Former "smoker boy". Classic, square 12 frame Dadants >> Long hive/Short frame/chemical-free experimentations.

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    Funny thread The more BeeKs chiming in the more confused we all become, such is life.

    On using smoke; 2 rules I follow, KISS (Keep It Simple) and "Less is usually more".... effective

    Personally, I like using dried sumac flowers which we've been collecting for a couple months now...it was a good sumac year, but have used all kinds of smoke materials over the years....only need a little smoke in most cases, unless we're talking about commercial beekeeping which is another animal pursuit imo.

    Happy Holidays to all you beeks and friends of beeks!!

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    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 42y 40h 39yTF

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    Default Re: Against Smoking Bees

    It appears that Ryan has not been back to the site since his join date.
    Frank

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    Default Re: Against Smoking Bees

    He should make a new subject, "ban guitar players from using picks" The smoker is just as important to a beekeeper, Bees are treated very well, as opposed to the meat livestock industry.
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    Default Re: Against Smoking Bees

    Ryan,

    For extra credit either add what the bee owns or get rid of the apostrophe in bee's.

    A pedant


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