Compact vertial hives - wintering in Siberia
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    Default Compact vertial hives - wintering in Siberia

    Here how the little 300x300 mini hives winter in Siberia.
    The owner was not happy about his decision to live them outside - Novosibirsk region, USDA Zone 2.
    Better to winter in a shed he says.
    This fellow is 100% on these vertical minis - honey, queens, nucs, the whole array of products.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixC5K3PH_E8
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    Default Re: Compact vertial hives - wintering in Siberia

    Good link, Greg. While watchinbg the video I had planned asking you to explain why he was pulling bottom boxes from the stacks during mid-winter - but that became self-evident right at the end - the build-up of ice. Serious conditions ! I think he's right about keeping hives in a bee-shed ...

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    Default Re: Compact vertial hives - wintering in Siberia

    Quote Originally Posted by little_john View Post
    Good link, Greg. While watchinbg the video I had planned asking you to explain why he was pulling bottom boxes from the stacks during mid-winter - but that became self-evident right at the end - the build-up of ice. Serious conditions ! I think he's right about keeping hives in a bee-shed ...

    LJ
    Not mid-winter, LJ.

    It is March; spring in that region and time to start setting the bees into the open.
    To most on the West it may look as if mid-winter.

    The Siberian summer for production purposes is very short (3 months) and intense (huge flows potentially) - time for the preps has begun if to produce anything worthwhile.

    The ice issue - the bees overheated and were melting the snow around them (of course, the melt then froze back solid).
    At the very beginning, you should notice (and he commented too) - the snow around the bee stacks was melted away.

    So the shed is beneficial NOT because it is warmer (it is some, indeed); but because bees will not melt anything around them and create ice dams.
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    Default Re: Compact vertial hives - wintering in Siberia

    Hi Greg - I had a ferret around the guys playlist and found several videos of how he cleverly makes nuc boxes from rigid foam sheet. Russian guys are so inventive ...
    There's also a video there showing the inside of the bee-shed he built onto his workshop - he's got a serious number of hives in there, stacked 2 and 3 deep.

    Any idea how high he makes those 300x300 boxes ? They look somewhere around 6" (150mm) to me.

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    Default Re: Compact vertial hives - wintering in Siberia

    Quote Originally Posted by little_john View Post
    Hi Greg - I had a ferret around the guys playlist and found several videos of how he cleverly makes nuc boxes from rigid foam sheet. Russian guys are so inventive ...
    There's also a video there showing the inside of the bee-shed he built onto his workshop - he's got a serious number of hives in there, stacked 2 and 3 deep.

    Any idea how high he makes those 300x300 boxes ? They look somewhere around 6" (150mm) to me.

    LJ
    For this particular model, the standard frame is height is 102 mm.

    Because the frame is so small (1-2 kilos of honey max) it can be staple together from any scraps and requires very little strength requirement (and hence can be done light and fragile) - a big deal.
    Another big deal - the frame requires no time or effort for any scaffolding (wires, strings... none of that nonsense).
    IF you are natural comb runner, it does not even require foundation - just a trivial starter strip - the small size makes running 100% natural comb a non-issue.
    We are talking serious savings all way around.

    The box height is 135mm I believe.
    So the production yard units can run up to 10 boxes high - which is approaching 150cm indeed - which is not a big deal since every individual box is equal to 2 Dadant frames in comb coverage/weight - up to 8-10 kilos max.

    IF people start saying - wow - so many little frames to flip through..
    No one serious and busy enough ever flips through the mini-frames - no need; it is by-the-box management (add a box/remove a box/etc).
    The only time you flip through - when looking for a queen - the queen is typically found in one of the brood boxes (the lower boxes) - just look in a targeted fashion.
    The brood never goes above the box #5 - naturally - all above is honey (naturally separated) - no QEs are practiced as not necessary.

    Just look here for the exact specs:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=%D1%...kVvXL_FCRbjzjM


    This Siberian guy (Aleksandr Loginov) is a real deal in the 300x300 mini world.
    He runs ~50 units (as in winters ~50 units),
    He typically winters the units in 3-4 boxes max if in shed; the wintering video has many details demonstrated.
    I studied and understood the wintering config for these 300x300 minis - stupid simple and very effective (will not discuss now).

    In the summer, the # of course doubles and triples (tons and tons of 1-2-3 mini box nucs - I LOVE this standardization - like I said - a single box/frame, properly dimensioned, does it all - from honey to queens and anything in between; ... butches few units for royal jelly production too - that basically kills the colonies as he describes).

    He took the ideas of the original inventor of this particular design (this guy, Vladimir Davydov - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkNX2WBDy9g)
    .. and took it further.
    They have annual beekeeping conferences at his place - mostly around alternative beekeeping (alternative as in different from conventional Dadant/Lang models).

    Aleksandr Loginov is a very good presenter (sorry - no English - but skip around and make sense out of the video).
    I keep track of him.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdm-olIR2g8
    Last edited by GregV; 11-14-2019 at 11:27 AM.
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    Default Re: Compact vertial hives - wintering in Siberia

    Quote Originally Posted by GregV View Post
    For this particular model, the standard frame is height is 102 mm.......
    This guy runs his 300x300 variant on a standard shallow Dadant frame (whatever it is - 145mm, I recall), BUT shortened to fit the 300x300 architecture.
    (this is the same guy who treats his mites with artemisia essential oil - Ruslan Kobzar - also an original design of his own - a single box/frame for everything and to protect his own injured back MOST IMPORTANTLY).

    https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...BB%D0%B5%D0%B9
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