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    What is happening at the moment is beyond Cloward and Pivens wildest dreams and the longer it continues the more favorable will be the conditions for the Mob to push for world socialism.

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    If the mob thinks that removing statues will change the way people think, they are in for a rude awaking. The destruction of the statue of Grant made me realize the mob is trying to erase something they don't fully understand. It is like an out of control bar fight, no one remembers how the fight started or why, or who are their allies or enemies.
    These men were trying to protect a way of life they did not create, but were born into. They were told for generations this is the way it is and their lives were lived that way.
    The statues remind me of how wrong things can go in a society driven by the love of money. The agricultural South loved the prosperity brought by selling products to the industrial North and the North loved the profits brought by the cheap cost of inputs. I realize this is an oversimplification of a complex event, but I believe both sides were complicit in the creation of slavery. Couldn't slavery have been stopped in it's infancy instead of waiting 150 years?
    Have we already forgotten this part of our history? After all, aren't we guilty of the expansion of slave labor in other countries by our insatiable desire for cheap products and the desire of our leaders in commerce to reap these profits? We have not abolished slavery, we exported it. In my opinion the mob is already guilty of repeating a history of which they are unwittingly erasing. Talk about irony.
    The mob is being used to advance an agenda from which they will not reap the spoils.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clyderoad View Post
    Is fear of climate change/global warming not a priority any longer ? has it fallen out of vogue or something?
    What have I missed, I haven't heard the term uttered in months.
    If I die tomorrow of COVID, the climate-caused issue 50 years from today is irrelevant for the moment - how the thinking goes.

    From local news - ignorant mobsters were tearing down some monument and beat up our local senator who is a liberal and and advocate for peaceful protesting (but hey, he was filming them behaving like stone age apes - so he got repeatedly kicked all over body while laying on ground; lucky to be alive).

    “Sad thing I’m on their side for peaceful demonstrations — am a Gay Progressive Dem Senator served 36 years in the legislature.”
    https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/c...55d63ed97.html

    Virus, incompetent virus response, and idiotic mob chaos took it all over.

    Kinda obvious.
    The house is in fire now.
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    JOHNO - "Mob to push for world socialism.'

    There is a concept out there, undefined, which has to be understood in time. In my mind it is how do we share productivity, even with the unproductive. Or is it the unit of measurement that needs defining. So called socialism or communism has not worked in prior times especially when comparing productivity results with the undisciplined ways of capitalism. Maybe Cloward and Pivens have a sustainable concept by providing a balancing fulcrum for capitalism and socialism to coexist in a productive way.

    Survival of the fittest, with a capitalist or socialist system, will not go away. I will rob your hive to survive.

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    incompetent virus response, or desired response of the establishment to further their aims, It is funny that persons who offer a different response are shut down like the response from Professor Deloris Cahill whos interview on the subject was shut down by youtube. Once the mob gets going the handlers better take care as they could bite the hand that has been feeding them.

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    Robert,dont you know that communism or socialism are the way to utopia. All the other guys have just been doing it wrong. By the way if you rob my hives to survive you had better be from the Ruling classholes otherwise it could be the gulags for you, besides from my hives this year it would be slim pickings.

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    Other more pressing issues to concern oneself with now it seems. I suppose it's on the back burner and hasn't really been abandoned.
    When all the dust settles in the US, one way or the other, how does the climate change/global warming issue fit in and what priority will it command?
    Has it morphed into the Green New Deal?
    Certainly the entire world hasn't deprioritized the issue, have they? Where are all the recognizable international spokespersons from the past?
    It is global in scope after all and political boundaries and the happenings within them should have no bearing on it's importance to mankind and the earth in general, or so I was led to believe.

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    The world is just waiting for six more months to pass.

    Myself, put in a Rheem heat pump water tank with an Efficiency Maine rebate it will run around $450 final install cost for a 50 gal 10 year tank. So far it is using no more than the electricity the boiler was using to keep the side tank warm.

    Them **** Liberals are all Commies trying to ruin the world I tell you!
    It is hard to design a safety net that some will not use as a hammock.

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    GG , it's hot and humid out, so a wandering question and comments.

    "clear agenda," - The only agenda I see is creation of an atmosphere of "change" . We saw it in the 60's. The change will come via the vote and then law changes. Boy do we need some changes, just like the 60's. BTW, what is an example of a "Marxist GVMT"? But....... back to Global Warming.

    I just saw a heart warming "change" - took a while. The salt water pond that provided my path to an education ( building piers / docks and floats, marine stuff provided $$ for Univ.) had become badly polluted in the 1960's. I just went qua-hogging using a canoe and kayaks with family. Taught them a little lesson in foraging for food - chasing the mighty quahog. Got what we needed, beautiful "Littlenecks", but lamented the disappearance of soft shell clams. The change is water quality was heartening - the whole pond is now open to aqua-culture activities. Large scale oyster farms are in place ( water filtereres) and improved sewage systems all around - forced by environmental laws, along with elimination of heavy metal discharges. The best was seeing through the clear waters at the ell grass growing one again (boaters will not like that) and fish breeding naturally, once again.

    The waters are warmer (global warming), ph and salinity changing, human intervention changing for the good - it just took a long time. Observational result - more quahogs, fewer soft shell clams ( steamers), cleaner salt water. Think I will go fishing for some scup - maybe for Strippers too.

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    Hmmm
    man made or real, maybe the COVID is the response. 10-15 % of the people gone, every one scared into staying home. Seems to me a win for the globalist, green types.
    cruise ships docked, planes not flying. No one at the "games" all that friviolis travel on indefinite Hold. Air cleaning up , fuel consumption down.
    Business owners taking it in the shorts.
    And in an election year, what are the odds, I better go get a lottery ticket it is one of those years, Or a well planned something.....

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    2009 H1N1 Pandemic (H1N1pdm09 virus) In the spring of 2009 (A year late IMO)
    In 2015 and 2016, large outbreaks of Zika virus occurred in the Americas


    oddly close to election years...
    Wonder what we have to look forward to in 2024 and 2028?
    Of course I am not suggesting any thing....

    GG

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    The only agenda I see is creation of an atmosphere of "change"

    pulling down statues is not an atmosphere of change, It is thinking erasing the past will help. (really it is an attempt to disconnect one from their identity)
    Somewhat like like the ISIS tearing down the statues, and then change did come........

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    Quote Originally Posted by johno View Post
    Robert,dont you know that communism or socialism are the way to utopia. .......
    You should study these concepts and redo your statement.
    Communism ~ Utopia.
    However, socialism - we live it right now and some components of it are necessary if we are to call a county "civilized".
    If you against socialism, you are against of your own SS benefits and Medicare (too many examples to list).

    This reminds me how many older people were against Obamacare, but where for their own Medicare.
    Probably still are.

    “Now don’t you let the government get a hold of my Medicare,” she said.
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    Most movements go to far, jerks invade most movements. of whatever the goal. Would have to say even the true conservatives probably have a bit of that feeling.

    Monument to what? Succession or oppression? Not much else to honor there. (Guilty of simplification for illustration.) Honoring their service in their State Legislature?
    It is hard to design a safety net that some will not use as a hammock.

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    Hey Greg, SS benefits, what happened to that around 15% of my income that I had to pay in for FICA before I started paying tax on the rest and I still have to cough up another $120 a month for Medicare that I rarely use anyhow. And still at the age of 76 still pay in to SS in FICA taxes somehow I get the idea that the harder you work in our little bit of socialism the shorter the end of the stick you hold gets. At the end of the day Ayne Rand gets it right " you cannot consume more than you produce " and if what my labor earns goes to some one else am I not becoming his slave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johno View Post
    Hey Greg, SS benefits, what happened to that around 15% of my income that I had to pay in for FICA before I started paying tax on the rest and I still have to cough up another $120 a month for Medicare that I rarely use anyhow. And still at the age of 76 still pay in to SS in FICA taxes somehow I get the idea that the harder you work in our little bit of socialism the shorter the end of the stick you hold gets. At the end of the day Ayne Rand gets it right " you cannot consume more than you produce " and if what my labor earns goes to some one else am I not becoming his slave.
    In any advanced countries with various degrees of socialism those benefits come from somewhere - everyone pays their taxes.
    Compared to your 15% much more.
    Ask our friend from Finland (Juhani I mean) about how the socialism is working for him.
    If anything they have much more of it than in the US and not really screaming and yelling and complaining.
    People in Scandinavia must have it terrible.

    $120/month is peanuts to be fair.
    At times I paid ten times that for a crappy private coverage - which we did not even use but had to carry - thanks to the lack of socialism for those younger than Medicare eligibility.
    Should I cry now?
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    In capitalism people are exploited by people.
    In socialism it is the other way round.

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    Adverse effects of climate change on agriculture: An evaluation of fruit and honey bee farming

    Abstract
    Agriculture is one of our most basic activities that are done depending on nature with scarce resources and directly affects our life and nature. This activity, which we have met our needs from past to present, is under threat due to climate change and will not be able to produce the expected benefits in the future if measures are not taken immediately. In this study, the negative effects of climate change on agriculture are discussed under the sub-heading fruit production and bees that have an active role in fruit production. In this study, secondary data sources related to the subject (academic publications, explanations by authorized institutions and organizations, and future projections created by them) were used. The findings obtained in the study reached that if the necessary steps regarding climate change are not taken immediately, the presence of bees will decrease. As a result, fruit production will be negatively affected because pollination, which is the main factor in fruit production.

    Hulya Saygı, 2020. "Adverse effects of climate change on agriculture: An evaluation of fruit and honey bee farming," Asian Journal of Agriculture and rural Development, Asian Economic and Social Society, vol. 10(1), pages 504-514, June.

    https://ideas.repec.org/a/asi/ajosrd/2020p504-514.html
    http://www.aessweb.com/pdf-files/39-...RD-504-514.pdf

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    Should I cry now?
    You already are and have been.
    It's called the 'no skin in the game' mentality.

    Thanks for sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BernhardHeuvel View Post
    In capitalism people are exploited by people.
    In socialism it is the other way round.
    LOL +1

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    First of all that 15% FICA tax is the SS and medicare tax that is deducted and then income tax is payed on the remainder. $120 a month is fair you say what about the 30 years odd that most people pay into the system before retiring at the age of 68 I believe and then they pay the $120 for this free benefit. Capitalism again is just a word invented to create division among classes favored by Karl Marx, Free markets is the term I favor although there are not many of them around any more as the last is Hong Kong. The premise of Socialism and Communism is that life is so unfair and that people are too stupid to look after themselves thus the ruling class needs to take care of them and produce all these programs to take care of the people, but funny thing they always seem to exempt themselves from the rules they make. Which makes mw think of Plutarch and the lives of others where history shows that people who seek high public office do so and enrich themselves and their friends to the detriment of the people, whereas those who are forced to take office to fight the corruption in high places generally end up impoverishing themselves.

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