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    Quote Originally Posted by Amibusiness View Post
    Were the Soviets (and others) correct in just killing off people with special needs or do they also have a right to a human existence?
    A myth.
    Get educated on this.

    True - the Soviets did NOT invest so much money into the "special needs" as the US does (very inefficiently, at that).
    Nor would they try to save an unhealthy child at all costs (of course, the technology was not quite there either).

    (Per my observation, the current system in the US is not sustainable; it will crash and burn; amount of special ed support personnel/programming in the general schools is just not sustainable when practice on person-by-person basis without much consolidation).

    Instead, they institutionalized the special needs into few centralized places - less human, but much more efficient and cheap.
    For example, any kid in my village of the USSR era was sent off into a regional institution where they received specialized care and specialized education.
    But this could be less human (unless the parents are alcoholics, then maybe the institution is MORE human????).

    Add the corruption into the mix (where allocated funds get stolen away) - which makes the institutions even less human (like starving the institutionalized persons, simply put).
    That's the brief Soviet recourse.
    Former "smoker boy". Classic, square 12 frame Dadants >> Long hive/Short frame/chemical-free experimentations.

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    Agreed salty. But the thinking that we will be better off if we can automate so we have fewer employees is akin to the thinking that perpetuates slums. I am not opposed to modernization and automation. I just wish that the humans be considered above profits. And if we had to pay the full price when we bought something rather than just production cost the competition would not put responsible companies out of business. I realize this is going I be hard to do because of corruption. However, part of r+d on anything should be it's long term effect so that can be factored into price. White collar crime costs society far more than drug crimes (look at war on drugs and whites trying to control jazz age for a connection). And yet white collar criminals bear far less consequences. If the people responsible for any missdeeds had to bear the price, and consumer products also had to be priced bearing resposibility, we may it need a social net because no one is being taken advantage of.
    As an example to connect these dots: when the new Americans made treaties with the old Americans and saw that they were still successful, they broke their treaties again and again (and "educated" them in a way to dehumanize them) until practically a slum was created. And now we say that it is their fault and they just have to figure out how to clean it up. Happens to blacks all the time too.
    So automation based on improving all society is good. Automation based on greed someone else will have to pay for, not so good.

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    Thanks for correcting me, Greg. I know you know more about it than I. I "learned" somewhere that Soviets (as well as Germans and no doubt others (us?) did medical experiments and such on disabled people. That may all be wrong. Much that I was taught has turned out that way....
    Nevertheless, the point was that humans deserve / have a right to a human existence. Many populations have been denied that. So writing someone off as having a low IQ (or other religion or anything else) and therefore being expendable and not deserving of societal protections is not a way forward imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amibusiness View Post
    Thanks for correcting me, Greg. I know you know more about it than I. I "learned" somewhere that Soviets (as well as Germans and no doubt others (us?) did medical experiments and such on disabled people. That may all be wrong. Much that I was taught has turned out that way....
    Nevertheless, the point was that humans deserve / have a right to a human existence. Many populations have been denied that. So writing someone off as having a low IQ (or other religion or anything else) and therefore being expendable and not deserving of societal protections is not a way forward imho.
    No problem.
    Most all humans deserve a honorable life (save for a few criminals).
    Not fancy, not excessive, not fealty rich - just basic and honorable life.
    Getting my education, I lived in a single room with only few possesions for many years and consider it a good life.
    I had everything I needed.
    In fact, I could do the same again and be just as satisfied.
    Maybe one day.
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    Why NOT to buy palm oil products:
    https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...hnk/index.html
    Former "smoker boy". Classic, square 12 frame Dadants >> Long hive/Short frame/chemical-free experimentations.

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    Hello to the gang,
    first Happy new year and merry Christmas.

    Second, I have the "ability" to some what document, the path of cutting trees (white pine and red pine) from day 1, to skidding, sawing, kiln drying, to making hives, in my shop, then putting the bees in. To be fair this will not appeal to the folks who order a hive from Amazon, and it lands on the door step the next morning. I will be lucky to get bees in these hives for next winter, (only can with kiln drying) so updates will be monthlyish and this will likely be a slow process.

    here is a teaser pic a Pine that will be 2- 9 foot logs. I did some math and optimized the length, as I can do somewhat what I wish, I am doing 9 foot materials.pine1.jpg

    Please Let me know if following this "project" would be of enough interest to post the pics and activities.
    And if a moderator could suggest where it should best be started.

    maybe the title "Tree to Hive" DYI

    GG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Goose View Post
    Please Let me know if following this "project" would be of enough interest to post the pics and activities.
    And if a moderator could suggest where it should best be started.
    maybe the title "Tree to Hive" DYI
    In general, members themselves choose the sub-forum for a particular thread. Some threads, such as those that involve heavy pictorial or video are better suited for the Photo/Video Gallery. Some threads are oriented towards beginner questions, and should go in the BK 101 sub-forum.

    But many beekeeping threads could logically go in one of several different sub-forums. The hard rule is NEVER put the same thread in more than one location. Doing so will get at least one deleted, and in some cases, maybe all of them.
    Of course, Non-Beekeeping threads can only go in the Coffee-Klatch [or Tailgater] forums.

    Moderators move threads to different sub-forums at their discretion. But that is not necessarily due to the content posted by the thread originator. Some threads get moved based on the responses by members, and that is not easy to predict in advance.
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    I don't know anything about the lumber business, and I'm always interested in learning something new. Go for it, I'll watch.

    Just let me know where the thread is located.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Goose View Post
    ....
    Second, I have the "ability" to some what document, the path of cutting trees (white pine and red pine) from day 1, to skidding, sawing, kiln drying, to making hives, in my shop, then putting the bees in. To be fair this will not appeal to the folks who order a hive from Amazon, and it lands on the door step the next morning. I will be lucky to get bees in these hives for next winter, (only can with kiln drying) so updates will be monthlyish and this will likely be a slow process.

    here is a teaser pic a Pine that will be 2- 9 foot logs. I did some math and optimized the length, as I can do somewhat what I wish, I am doing 9 foot materials.pine1.jpg

    Please Let me know if following this "project" would be of enough interest to post the pics and activities.
    And if a moderator could suggest where it should best be started.

    maybe the title "Tree to Hive" DYI

    GG
    Cool!
    In my other life (was not meant to be) - I would be making the living from my own forest by sustainably and selectivly harvesting from it and making/selling sustainable forest products.
    Former "smoker boy". Classic, square 12 frame Dadants >> Long hive/Short frame/chemical-free experimentations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregV View Post
    Cool!
    In my other life (was not meant to be) - I would be making the living from my own forest by sustainably and selectivly harvesting from it and making/selling sustainable forest products.
    Hi Greg, This area appx 12-14 acres we are clear cutting to promote regrowth and habitat for species needing thick edge/new growth.
    there are 8-12 large pine trees, that will be "exposed" to wind and Lightning, once the rest are cut. in my "experience" these nice tall trees end up busted up by Lightning or blown over by wind. As well "getting to" them later requires running over many smaller trees, so taking them with this cut is the best approach. And the hardware and road is there, so this is somewhat a do or wait 25 years, and hope they still stand, process.
    Also I need some materials for some projects so they will be cut this go round. Not sure I am here for the next time. I am not making a living by this cutting, we have cut 6 or 8 times in my life on various properties I help Manage. it is a every 6-10 year experience. It is neat to go thru IMO
    GG

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    I like your approach. I have switched from buying rough sawn pine, for a while, to re-cycling fence boards. It seems many board sections are still viable and cheap. Plane one side, cut-up, dove tail and glue, scraps are used as fire starters, shavings and dust go into the compost heap. Simple!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hogback Honey View Post
    Okay, I'll get down off the soap box, and let someone else get on it.
    Thank you for the invitation.
    A case of short term profit margins overriding common sense. Believer or not, waste is waste. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...tail=emaildkre
    It is not true that you cannot teach an old dog new tricks.
    They can learn them, they just can't do them.

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    Whatever it is, Australia has it on the hotter side.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/01/austr...cli/index.html
    Former "smoker boy". Classic, square 12 frame Dadants >> Long hive/Short frame/chemical-free experimentations.

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    Meanwhile Delhi (capital of India) has had the coldest December since 1901. This has resulted in significant difficulty for many people, as homes in the area are typically not heated or insulated to any extent.

    Definition of weather - when a location or region is colder than normal for some period of time.

    Definition of climate - when a location or region is warmer than normal for some period of time.

    Not a denier, just a contrarian skeptic.

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    Grins - Funny thing happen on the way to the "Forum". When I was a about 12 my father, brother and I were digging a shallow well which kept getting deeper. My father decided to drive a well point in. Problem was holding the pipe centered so my father and brother could drive it with a mooring post - 6 foot long piece of oak about 6 - 8 inch in diameter. Needless to say I was sent down to hold the pope, the line broke, I got hit in the head, woke up 55 years late and found out I was a beekeeper. I think!!

    I believe in climate change, believe in being prepared, but I do not know where the change is taking us. I have not sharpened my ice skates in years and years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saltybee View Post
    Never met a machine that didn't break.
    Getting parts, that's another story.
    That's the truth. I learned to type on a typewriter, by the time the typewriter was obsolete I was running an IBM system 34. But it didn't change much, when the system went down someone had to fix it. I do my own fixes for my computers today, most of the time, Technology has gotten so cheap it is often a matter of buy a new one. And that took out the electronics repair industry. (my ex was an electronics tech, their company dwindled and finally closed in 2019)
    Stuck in Texas. Learning Permaculture in drought, flood and strange weather. The bees are still alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juhani Lunden View Post
    Well as governments start to ready themselves to "Extract" more money companies need to think about how to cope with the additional Tax and how to "home" them selves in a place that will not exacerbate the effect.

    What the media is doing to that poor girl Greta should be shut down not condoned. She will likely not be right after this charade. Talk about being used. Remember it has been proven in several ways that the human brain is not fully developed until the age of 23-24 years. If I were King for a day I would move the voting age to 23, partially developed brains should not be stearing the world.

    the only constant is change....

    GG

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    70 and over should be about right for steering the world - that should slow up change.

    I listen to my grandkids

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    I have reached the point in my life where a great number of individuals are younger than I am. What passes now for knowlege and rational thought never ceases to amaze me. While the young brain is sometimes likened to a sponge soaking up information, there are times I wish I could squeeze it to wring out all the nonsense it has absorbed.
    Thankfully, the bees are smarter than I am. They are doing well, in spite of my efforts to help them.

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