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    Default Re: Bee-shed idea ...

    Thanks - it's good to hear that this stuff is of interest to somebody else ...

    An explanation of what I'm up to ...

    I have zero experience of bee-sheds - my hives having always been spread out far apart in the open air. And, although sites like https://www.honeyshop.co.uk/Bee.html are enthusiastic about the advantages of keeping bees in sheds, I still have a few concerns (in no particular order of importance):

    a) just how convenient is accessing frames from the back of a hive, compared with opening boxes at their tops ?

    b) airborn bees during inspections - just how much of a problem will this be ?

    c) will the use of smoke during inspections cause problems (for me) ?

    d) will the close proximity of so many colonies cause drifting of foragers ?

    And so I'm hoping that experimenting with the Caravan/Camper will provide answers to at least some of these questions.

    Judyv - thanks for flagging-up the ventilation & heat concerns. Although these had crossed my mind, I'd only been thinking in terms of Winter conditions rather than Summer, and so clearly need to give these a lot more thought - so thanks for the nudge - appreciated.

    Even though the honeyshop article is somewhat limited regarding disadvantages, it does contain a graphic which I found very useful:


    This being a picture of a Dutch open-fronted bee-house which, although more substantially built, uses the same basic principle as the wooden open stands which were used by Emile Warre in some of his apiaries:


    But - although I've known of Warre's stands for some time, they've never really appealed to me - whereas that Dutch Bee-Shed (which likewise eliminates the airborn bee problem, the smoke problem AND removes the need to change from using standard 'top-access' boxes has (dunno why) ...

    ... and the following 'doodles' have duly resulted. (Continued in the next post)
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    ... and the following 'doodles' have duly resulted:


    If the 'cavity hives' (as I'm now calling them) mentioned at the start of this thread should work out, then the diagram on the Left could work - if not, then the diagram on the Right would be more suitable. Although I've shown 'Warre' hives installed, any suitable vertical stacks could be used (8-framers would maximise the numbers of hives). The Nucs above them would be supported on removable shelves so that housing tall stacks would still be possible. (Even I can still dream of honey harvests one day ... !)

    Although most bee-shed designs feature windows which are hinged at the bottom, opening outwards at the top to let bees escape, I'm assuming that having closures of approx. 1/3rd the wall height which can be opened out to the horizontal (or near-horizontal) will do the same job, and allow in sufficient light for inspections. Indeed, having closures on opposing walls would then allow a through-draught with even the slightest breeze - so that looks to be very feasible (that is 'theoretically' ...).

    Each hive entrance would be protected from the weather by a coloured cowling, and guarded by an anti-robbing screen. Having a second upper entrance would certainly help with ventilation, and could be closed during the winter period.

    Another common practice appears to be to use the same shed for both equipment storage AND for housing working beehives - which surprises me, as the insulation/ventilation requirements are quite different for those two purposes - and - if the bee-shed were to be well insulated, then the hives inside could be made from the thinnest practical material. Anything from cardboard (suitably protected) upwards.

    So - if a working bee-shed were to be restricted to housing (say) 20 hives and 20 nucs, these could be housed in a shed 12-14 ft long, and around 6ft wide - the small size of which has surprised me. And, if mounted upon skids, such a bee-shed could very easily be loaded onto on a small trailer, and used to 'follow the crops'.

    However, there are still some issues to be addressed - for example, is Vapourising Oxalic Acid inside a bee-shed practicable from a Health and Safety point-of-view ? That's the kind of issue I'm hoping can be resolved during experiments with the caravan, as there's a helluva lot of stuff there that needs testing.

    Enough.

    Would appreciate hearing the views of others - positive or negative.
    'best
    LJ

    Greg - I like the idea of installing a bed - not sure if it's really me, but maybe I'll give that a go ...
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    Default Re: Bee-shed idea ...

    Quote Originally Posted by little_john View Post
    Greg - I like the idea of installing a bed - not sure if it's really me, but maybe I'll give that a go ...
    Many East Euro bloggers have them built and brag so to outdo each other, I guess.
    With your caravan it will be a little different but something maybe possible.
    You could do both - a bed and a wall somehow too.

    Give it a watch for the bed ideas (main criteria - a person lays down directly on the bee hives and feels the vibration, sounds, and the hive smells - supposedly high therapeutic effect)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyDTxX5Pw08
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RMz0pUOsLg
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BErlMws9Xb0

    Here is an English video:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMWf4nuayWs
    Last edited by GregV; 10-02-2019 at 09:23 AM.
    Former "smoker boy". Classic, square 12 frame Dadants >> Long hive/Short frame/chemical-free experimentations.

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    Default Re: Bee-shed idea ...

    There is an update on the Warre's.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiKiFmKIjHI
    Former "smoker boy". Classic, square 12 frame Dadants >> Long hive/Short frame/chemical-free experimentations.

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