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    Default Re: Another battle for the bees....

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicksotherhoney View Post
    Time to call our representatives.

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    Get rid of Trump?
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    Feel free to discuss the use of sulfoxaflor vs other lethal to bees insecticides already being used on these very same crops. Try to keep politics out of the discussion. Thanks.
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    Another one of those Huffpost articles.

    Because these guys have a history of deceptivity and spouting alarmist garbage, i have no idea wether to take them seriously in this instance.

    They claim bee killing insecticide, sounds scary. Until you realise that all insecticides not just this one, kill insects, that's what they are designed to do.

    What we need to know, is this particular insecticide better, or worse, far as bees go, than whatever alternatives were being used before. Since the article does not tell us that, we don't know. For all it tells us, the new insecticide might be less harmful to bees than the previous ones, and therefore a good thing to make the switch.

    But bottom line we don't know from this article, because no useful information to a beekeeper was shared, waste of my time reading it.
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    Sad. It won’t get better for sure.
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    Thanks Biene Maja, that was a much more useful link than the original one.

    It is nice to see some proper scientific method, rather than emotive language and no facts.

    They mention how some insecticides (chlorpyriphos based ones for example), have been largely replaced by other insecticides (neonicitinoid and pyrethroid based ones for example). That is because some of the former ones were much more dangerous to humans, and in particular, the applicator.

    So based on what they study claims, there has been a move from insectides highly dangerous to people, and towards insecticides more toxic to insects even at much lower dose rates. However they claim the amount used has increased, and overall, there is 48 times more <<insect killing power>> being put into the environment, than 2 decades ago.

    Might be true, the "insect bug test" would certainly bear that out, i rarely if ever have to use bug cleaner on my windsheild these days. I'm less sure about their claim that bees are the representative species for all insects, because honeybee numbers in the USA have increased year on year for the last 1/2 decade.
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    Default Re: Another battle for the bees....

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    ........ I'm less sure about their claim that bees are the representative species for all insects, because honeybee numbers in the USA have increased year on year for the last 1/2 decade. .
    Honey bees are really a non-issue (no matter what mass media may scream and that average folk equate a honey bee to any other insect).

    The crushing insect population (and entire food pyramid sitting on the top) is the real issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregV View Post
    Honey bees are really a non-issue (no matter what mass media may scream and that average folk equate a honey bee to any other insect).
    Exactly. And that's why i was surprised that Bien's linked study, which otherwise seemed pretty reasonable, should make that claim.
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    Default Re: Another battle for the bees....

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    Another one of those Huffpost articles.


    But bottom line we don't know from this article, because no useful information to a beekeeper was shared, waste of my time reading it.
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    Default Re: Another battle for the bees....

    I have farmers all around me using neonics, however the only losses I have had were some hives close to a neighbor using the insecticide Sevin available in any hardware store, in his vegetable garden.

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