I found a queen cell in my hive today
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  1. #1
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    Default I found a queen cell in my hive today

    While inspecting my hive today there was a conspicuous lack of eggs, then I came across this.

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    There is scattered larvae throughout the brood comb. There is a lot of capped worker brood, like, at least five or six bars of brood. There is a couple drone cells here and there. They still seem to be thriving. I had to add some new bars today since they had filled up all the bars in the hive.

    I guess something happened to to the queen? What could happen to a queen of a seemingly healthy hive? Do I need to do anything? Thanks

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    Default Re: I found a queen cell in my hive today

    If you found more than 5 queen cells, that usually means the bees swarmed. No eggs definitely means no queen! If you found fewer, then the bees may have superceded this queen. Happens even with a new package.

    2 things to do: I like to leave them only a couple of queen cells, and either take out the others into another hive (or in my top bar, I would put on the other side of the hive with a bee-tight divider in place), or I would just squish more beyond my target number. Bees will throw off another swarm if they have a virgin queen emerge, AND there are more than 10 Langstroth frames densely covered with bees. Of course, some hives don't do a secondary swarm, and others will keep throwing swarms as long as there are bees in the hive - but for a typical case, a hive that swarmed but still has lots of bees in 5-7 days will often throw a secondary swarm headed by a virgin queen. You don't want that and you can stop it from happening.

    Second, you need to draw up a calendar of when the queen is likely to be back from being mated. So, I saw from the pic you had a capped queen cell - it was maybe at day 10 when you posted, on 6/12. By day 10, I mean 10 days after the queen laid this egg. Since the queen cell is still pale, it is early on its journey to ripen and discharge a virgin queen.

    On day 16, queen is out (so, 6/18). About 5 days later, she goes for her mating flight. Give her 5 more days after that, for her to recover and reconfigure her body to lay eggs...so at the earliest, 6/28, she will start laying. By 7/2 you should see eggs for sure. Assuming you had clear weather during her flight day(s); if not, things will be pushed back. During the likely flight time, I take notes on whether the weather would permit a mating flight - has to be 70, fairly calm, no threat of rain, from 1-4 pm or somewhere in there.

    So by 7/2, if no queen is laying, you have maybe 10 days before that hive starts being a laying worker hive. Then it is not possible to requeen, because they will just kill an introduced queen. You can save such a hive with brood introduced every 7 days, about 3 times. AFter that process, you could introduce a queen.

    So you want to avoid that - you need to have a plan for getting a queen or queen cell quickly by 7/5 or so. Your local bee association and local beeks will know of queen sources, or if someone can graft, they can bring you an artificial queen cell. But it's better to start the legwork - I don't mean actually ordering a queen, but finding out where you can get a queen a short notice, or a queen cell - at this point rather than later.

    Good luck! Hope she makes it back ok!

  4. #3
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    Default Re: I found a queen cell in my hive today

    Almost certainly they swarmed. I would just leave things be and check back to make sure you have a successfully mated queen.
    Meghan

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    Default Re: I found a queen cell in my hive today

    You don't mention the hive size or age. If it's a new package install into a hive, it sounds somewhat common that the new package will supersede the queen after a month or so. If you only have one queen cell, it very well could have superseded the queen.

    Or, if it's a single box, they get crowded very fast this time of year and could have swarmed. Small colonies often make few swarm cells, but should be more than one. The swarm cells aren't all laid in at once, so other queen cups could have eggs in them or young larva and you could have missed them.

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