Black Foundation For Honey Supers
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  1. #1
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    Question Black Foundation For Honey Supers

    I have 20 medium frames with black foundation.

    Can I use them in honey supers?

    I know people prefer the black in brood frames, does it matter in the honey super?
    Clark Westfied 1st year beekeeper
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    Default Re: Black Foundation For Honey Supers

    It matters not! Enjoy!

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    Default Re: Black Foundation For Honey Supers

    It's a little harder to tell the color or type of honey with the black foundation. It all looks like dark.

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    Default Re: Black Foundation For Honey Supers

    I agree with vectorjet that if you are harvesting varietal honey, you should use the white foundation. I do not get that variation here in our 8 weeks of flow. All 200 of my honey frames use black foundation simply because that is what I bought.
    Thankfully, the bees are smarter than I am. They are doing well, in spite of my efforts to help them.

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    Default Re: Black Foundation For Honey Supers

    I use what is on sale in all my boxes. If I can get the black on sale, i prefer that, especially for brood, but will gladly use it for honey as well.

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    Default Re: Black Foundation For Honey Supers

    I have both colors mixed randomly within supers. It doesn't seem to matter.

    Alex
    Ten years of Beekeeping before varroa. Started again spring of 2014.

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    Default Re: Black Foundation For Honey Supers

    I am slowly working all yellow foundation out of my equipment in favor of black. At some point in my operation, my older honey super frames get promoted (or demoted?) to serve as brood frames. I like the visibility of eggs against black foundation.

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    Default Re: Black Foundation For Honey Supers

    Quote Originally Posted by psm1212 View Post
    I am slowly working all yellow foundation out of my equipment in favor of black. At some point in my operation, my older honey super frames get promoted (or demoted?) to serve as brood frames. I like the visibility of eggs against black foundation.
    What do you do when you get a few cocoons in the cells?

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    Default Re: Black Foundation For Honey Supers

    Staining eliminates cocoons, bee parts, and other natural objects.

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    Default Re: Black Foundation For Honey Supers

    Quote Originally Posted by Barhopper View Post
    What do you do when you get a few cocoons in the cells?
    A few cocoons do not bother me in the honey super. After the comb gets several brood cycles, it becomes rubbery and harder to uncap.

    Each year I do splits prior to supering my hives. I assume that is the pattern for most of us. I will generally have about 100 or more drawn frames. I look for the oldest first. I make a pile of old frames I want to retire and scrape them into the solar wax melter. Next, I look for frames I want to use in my splits. Sometimes these are former honey frames that have been tracked up and starting to get older and darker. My most pristine frames I keep for honey supers.

    Over time, this general "sorting" is going to get me out of the yellow foundation business for good.

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    Default Re: Black Foundation For Honey Supers

    Quote Originally Posted by JTGaraas View Post
    Staining eliminates cocoons, bee parts, and other natural objects.
    I think JT meant to type "Straining" not "Staining."

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    Default Re: Black Foundation For Honey Supers

    Yup! Meant that, but do not know if I suffer from auto-correct or bad typing!

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    Default Re: Black Foundation For Honey Supers

    I meant how do you see the eggs after a few cocoons get in there. He stated he liked the visibility on black foundation.

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    Default Re: Black Foundation For Honey Supers

    Quote Originally Posted by Clarkwestfied View Post
    I have 20 medium frames with black foundation. Can I use them in honey supers?
    It's dark in there. So, the bees can't tell what color the foundation is.
    A cold bee smoker is bad for the soul.

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    Default Re: Black Foundation For Honey Supers

    Quote Originally Posted by blainenay View Post
    It's dark in there. So, the bees can't tell what color the foundation is.
    Thankfully, the bees are smarter than I am. They are doing well, in spite of my efforts to help them.

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    Default Re: Black Foundation For Honey Supers

    Quote Originally Posted by Barhopper View Post
    I meant how do you see the eggs after a few cocoons get in there. He stated he liked the visibility on black foundation.
    The absolute best visibility of eggs is a white egg sitting on a black foundation with fresh white/yellow wax built out around it. Anybody can see those eggs. As they start raising rounds of brood, it gets tougher and tougher, at least to me. When the walls are pitch black from cocoon sheds, eggs are no doubt harder to see, regardless of the color of the foundation. However, I can use an LED light to shine down into dark cells and manage.

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    Default Re: Black Foundation For Honey Supers

    Quote Originally Posted by psm1212 View Post
    The absolute best visibility of eggs is a white egg sitting on a black foundation with fresh white/yellow wax built out around it. Anybody can see those eggs. As they start raising rounds of brood, it gets tougher and tougher, at least to me. When the walls are pitch black from cocoon sheds, eggs are no doubt harder to see, regardless of the color of the foundation. However, I can use an LED light to shine down into dark cells and manage.
    Well said

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    Default Re: Black Foundation For Honey Supers

    I do the same. Usually I get the sun just right to see, if not an LED flashlight.

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