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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Is it OK to lightly mist larvae before/during queen cell grafting?

    It must have been 4 or 5 years ago I saw it. Wasn't much of a technique, they were not worried if they got extras (too old or eggs). Pump-up garden sprayer with low pressure and a cookie tray to catch runoff is the way I would imitate method. They were not trying to keep the larva from being underwater either. Pretty basic and pretty crude. Definitely not first timers at it.

    It did not pop up in Google for me.
    It is not true that you cannot teach an old dog new tricks.
    They can learn them, they just can't do them.

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    Default Re: Is it OK to lightly mist larvae before/during queen cell grafting?

    Pulled the first two frames where I grafted 30 larvae. It appears as if 28 took.

    These two frames where placed up top of the queen cell builder, no pollen frames next to them [my experiment].

    The bottom 4 frames each are next to frames loaded big time with pollen. I hope to pull those frames tomorrow.

    Placed these 28/30 sealed queen cells in the incubator this evening....ran out of time so couldn't do the super nice ones yet!

    They look ok to me...

    How do they look to you?

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    Default Re: Is it OK to lightly mist larvae before/during queen cell grafting?

    Those look good! Post pictures of the cells next to the pollen frames, too, please.

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    Default Re: Is it OK to lightly mist larvae before/during queen cell grafting?

    Good first run.
    Assume you want feedback for the next run. Looks like there was somewhat of a feed issue. Younger bees ? Longer prime time? Fewer grafts? I say that because your best cells are on the top middle bars.
    Where do you see an improvement opportunity.
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    Default Re: Is it OK to lightly mist larvae before/during queen cell grafting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knisely View Post
    Those look good! Post pictures of the cells next to the pollen frames, too, please.
    We will be pulling the next 60+ sealed queen cells this afternoon. These frames were placed immediately next to large frames filled with pollen. I am excited to see if there is much of a difference!

    I will do my best to post pics of these new cells later today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saltybee View Post
    Good first run.
    Assume you want feedback for the next run. Looks like there was somewhat of a feed issue. Younger bees ? Longer prime time? Fewer grafts? I say that because your best cells are on the top middle bars.
    Where do you see an improvement opportunity.
    Feed issue? Hmmmmm....Could you elaborate?

    There were frames full of pollen in the box below this box, but not adjacent to these cells.

    Also, we fed 1.5 gallons of 1-1 sugar syrup during the 5 day process of sealing the cells...

    Is there anything else we could have done?

    And may I ask, why do you suspect a feeding issue?

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    Default Re: Is it OK to lightly mist larvae before/during queen cell grafting?

    I mean no offense. Frankly they look better than mine when I gave up on grafting after mag and light and breaking down cell walls to get at larva, I was still making worst queens than I had been able to before.

    There are some of the cells on the bottom bar that are smaller. That can be from many causes. Just a preference of the bees, maybe a little difference in the age. Maybe a few too many cells. Maybe the trick of moving shaken brood frames up to get only young bees would help as well. Feeding days before grafting receives good reports, not something I did as I only got that step clear in my head until I was no longer grafting.

    The best descriptions to my vote are those by Joseph and David Laferney?. If someone does not help find, or you do not already have, I will try to dig them up when I get the chance.

    I have no doubt yours will continue to look better each time. Again, if your brave enough to ask, be ready.
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    Default Re: Is it OK to lightly mist larvae before/during queen cell grafting?

    It is not true that you cannot teach an old dog new tricks.
    They can learn them, they just can't do them.

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    Default Re: Is it OK to lightly mist larvae before/during queen cell grafting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Saltybee View Post
    I mean no offense. Frankly they look better than mine when I gave up on grafting after mag and light and breaking down cell walls to get at larva, I was still making worst queens than I had been able to before.

    There are some of the cells on the bottom bar that are smaller. That can be from many causes. Just a preference of the bees, maybe a little difference in the age. Maybe a few too many cells. Maybe the trick of moving shaken brood frames up to get only young bees would help as well. Feeding days before grafting receives good reports, not something I did as I only got that step clear in my head until I was no longer grafting.

    The best descriptions to my vote are those by Joseph and David Laferney?. If someone does not help find, or you do not already have, I will try to dig them up when I get the chance.

    I have no doubt yours will continue to look better each time. Again, if your brave enough to ask, be ready.

    I didn't understand a word of that.

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    Default Re: Is it OK to lightly mist larvae before/during queen cell grafting?

    Well, was able to dig into only two more queen cell builder frames this evening. I still have a number left. I did graft 96 larvae.

    Frame on the left was placed on the second deep, with massive pollen frames surrounding it. It appears to have 13/16 cells drawn and sealed.

    The frame on the right was another frame from the top deep that had no pollen at all next to it. It appears to have 11/16 cells drawn and sealed.

    All cells have royal jelly [looked carefully in the hole].

    I am not much worried about the size because I know I crammed as many nurse bees as possible in three deeps and they were all fed well the entire time and besides that, we have a substantial blue gum eucalyptus flow at the moment.

    I grafted all larvae from my very best queen. She was laying entire frames of eggs in January and overwintered better than any colony I have ever had.

    I took eggs from her twice this season: In March and in April. The March grafting turned out to be a 19/20 success rate. April was nearly as good.

    What I like most about her daughters is that they are all appear to be black Carniolians, lay like crazy, super super gentle, and bring in the honey and pollen better that any other colony.

    I am planning on requeening every colony we have with her daughters.

    Please let me know if anyone has any other suggestions.

    Thanks,

    Soar

    Here's a pic of those two frames from this evening...

    I will do my best to post pics of the final frames from tomorrow and also some pics of her daughters that are mated and laying like machine-gunners...

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    Default Re: Is it OK to lightly mist larvae before/during queen cell grafting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Schultz View Post
    I didn't understand a word of that.
    I've been known to jump around a bit in my thoughts.
    I've been known to have a minority opinion of one.

    You did not overpay.
    It is not true that you cannot teach an old dog new tricks.
    They can learn them, they just can't do them.

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