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    "Description
    SuperDFM Ė HoneyBee contains a combination of LABís as well as beneficial
    Bacillus spp., and yeast used to diminish disease in bees and brood.
    Feed both Spring and Fall for Healthier Hives - 10 grams (one table spoon) per hive.

    Establish Beneficial Microflora
    ✔ Helps Increase Bee Colony Health
    ✔ May help inhibit chalkbrood (Ascophera apis)
    ✔ Microflora have a positive effect on Vitellogenin (fat body) formation
    (The health of honey bee colony is dependent upon
    vitellogenin reserves of the nurse bees)
    ✔ Yeasts help synthesize B-vitamins needed for bee health
    ✔ Quick and easy to use
    ✔ Sold in heat sealed and moisture proof pack

    Lactic Acid Bacteria (LAB)
    LABís ferment sugars to lactic acid, aid in honey production, fight pathogens by
    lactic acid production, restore necessary microflora after antibiotic treatment
    and maintain healthy immunity; aid in vitellogenin formation

    Enzymes
    Amylase breaks down starches to glucose; Protease breaks down protein peptide bonds to
    free up amino acids; Beta glucanase breaks down glucans (parts of cell wall) to usable sugars; Cellulase breaks down cellulose to usable sugars

    Yeast culture
    Increase fiber digestion, reduce oxygen and provide necessary growth factors to
    LABís; synthesize B-vitamins to aid bees health; mannan oligosaccharide prevents
    pathogen adhesion to intestinal wall

    Spore Forming Bacilli
    Consume oxygen and create a positive environment for LABís, fight pathogenic
    yeasts and molds, and reduce effects of stress caused by heat or cold"



    Is boosting the Micro Flora in a honeybee hive as simple as dusting over the top frames? We inoculate our silage pile simply by incorporating the bacteria in while we harvest which helps convert the pile quicker and uniformly.
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    no real studies on it... this is the only "study" I could find. It doesn't really tell you much. They need to do a controlled study, until then I say snake oil.

    http://strongmicrobials.weebly.com/u...lind_study.pdf

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    Default Re: Super DFM - Honeybees

    In Michigan we have use Super DFM Honeybee for over two years.

    There are over one thousand hives under trial as I write this.

    The evidence in Michigan shows efficacy in reducing Winter loss.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXbB_a18x84
    20 plus years with the bees and counting - Michigan - 50 hives - Buckfast Queens - Pollination and Nucs.

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    Default Re: Super DFM - Honeybees

    [QUOTE=Ian;1194315 boosting the Micro Flora in a honeybee .[/QUOTE]

    We don't use DFM, but we have been adding a Micro Flora additive to our Nura Bee sub for years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ehoffma2 View Post
    In Michigan we have use Super DFM Honeybee for over two years.

    There are over one thousand hives under trial as I write this.

    The evidence in Michigan shows efficacy in reducing Winter loss.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXbB_a18x84
    this is just a slick ad... nothing about controlled studies. How about a controlled study of actual hives done by an independent scientist. I added some probiotics to some of my sugar blocks this winter to see if they actually help. But I am not sure there is anything to it.

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    Default Re: Super DFM - Honeybees

    Kieth, what kind of shelf life does your micro flora additive have after mixing into your patties?
    The product we use in the cattle operation on our silage come with an expire date. It's administered through the chopper and goes to work immediately.
    This DFM honeybee product is dusted on with sugar so ingestion would be immediate. Patties would be mixed stored fed all over a period of a few weeks.
    Any thought on this would be appreciated.
    I think I'm going to buy a bag and run a trial myself. This is what I've been looking for. Dusting or patties?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    Any thought on this
    Noop.
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    Looks like super DFM Honey bee has a competing product in Europe ?

    http://symbeeotic.apicellae.se/history/

    SymBeeotic is a probiotic for honeybees, to increase the health (and therefore production) of the bee population. When Symbeeotic is added to the colony, the bees ingest the solution with the probiotic bacteria. There is also a trickle down effect, as the bees will feed their larvae with bacteria, providing a long term protection. Increasing health without antibiotics is essential, since residues can be found in the honey and contribute to antibiotic resistance. Symbeeotic is the only product that targets and increases the beesī own resistance, which is crucial when the hives are fighting of multi factorial diseases.

    http://symbeeotic.apicellae.se/

    The lactic acid bacteria (LAB) in Symbeeotic discovered in the honey stomach of honey bees are beeing described as novel species by us and given proper latin names. The description of the lactobacilli is done http://ijs.sgmjournals.org/content/6.../3109.full.pdf

    The role of the LAB for honey bee health seems very promising http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0033188

    1.We have shown that the lactic acid bacteria in Symbeeotic clearly inhibit AFB in laboratory tests with infected larva.


    http://www.apidologie.org/articles/a...40/m09040.html


    ■EFB (European Foulbrood Disease)


    1.We have shown that the LAB in Symbeeotic clearly inhibit EFB in laboratory tests with infected larva.http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0033188

    1.Initial field studies with Symbeeotic applied to colonies heavily infected with both Nosema apis and Nosema ceranae are terminated. They were performed together with the Hellenic Institute of Apiculture (NAGREF), the University of Thessaloniki and Vita limited (UK). The results were very promising but more studies have to be performed to find out more about when and how often Symbeeotic needs to be fed to the bees.
    20 plus years with the bees and counting - Michigan - 50 hives - Buckfast Queens - Pollination and Nucs.

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    Default Re: Super DFM - Honeybees

    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    Noop.
    Just adding something to the mix because it sounds good?
    Even with inoculants, shelf life and storage conditions of the product is important for its efficacy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    Just adding something to the mix because it sounds good?
    Even with inoculants, shelf life and storage conditions of the product is important for its efficacy
    With all due respect, Not a sound good thing here Ian.
    Last edited by Keith Jarrett; 12-15-2014 at 07:57 AM. Reason: adding
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    Default Re: Super DFM - Honeybees

    If you ever talk to Keith personally, you would know he just doesn't do stuff cuz it sounds good....

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    I've read some real questions but not any real answers, I guess it's just snake oil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JRG13 View Post
    If you ever talk to Keith personally, you would know he just doesn't do stuff cuz it sounds good....
    From what I read on this forum I would Also be one of those Beekeepers holding the Jarrett family high.

    My question is anywhere from implying dis respect. If there is no answer to the question let's not pretend there is. Shelf life of this organism and conditions to how its applied is critical to other type inoculants. How does it apply in this case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ehoffma2 View Post

    There are over one thousand hives under trial as I write this ]
    Ehoffma2, are you part of the trial or involved with the company ?

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    Default Re: Super DFM - Honeybees

    Ian, it depends what state the probiotics are in or the composition, it could just be enzymes or bacteria in dormant phases which wouldn't affect shelf life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    My question is anywhere from implying dis respect. If there is no answer to the question let's not pretend there is.
    Non taken here Ian, just debating some topics right.
    Your last statement, there is an answer, but your train of thoughts & mine are miles apart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    but your train of thoughts & mine are miles apart.
    lol, Keith... care to elaborate? Help me walk closer to you.

    All I am asking, this DFM-honeybee "inoculant" suggest dusting the hive. Others like yourself has mixed pro biotics into the patty mix. I know from my own experience with silage inoculation that handling of this product is specific.

    Is there a reason why they suggest their product to be applied in a way to encourage immediate ingestion, as opposed to other applications where as the ingestion is over a period of a few weeks? or does anyone actually know?
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    A few years back decided to go with enzymes instead of prebiotics, probiotics or "micro flora additive" as the feed already countians the substrate for micorobes to grow on and the bees already have the proper microbes. Enzymes blends are very common in animal and human supplemental diets. Enzymes don't live or die
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidsbees View Post
    Enzymes don't live or die
    What kind of enzymes are you adding? And how do you feel the enzyme supplements contribute to the overall health of the hive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoffman2 View Post
    In Michigan we have use Super DFM Honeybee for over two years.

    There are over one thousand hives under trial as I write this.

    The evidence in Michigan shows efficacy in reducing Winter loss.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXbB_a18x84


    Just for the record! Would you like to confirm or deny the rumor that any of the fingerprints on the envelope containing the flyer and sales "prospectus" touting this product which I happen to have received a few weeks back might at all be directly related to anyone at hoffman2..............??????

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