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    Question using thermal camera to verify swarm trap occupancy @ night

    Hi, all,

    has anyone ever used a thermal camera to verify that a swarm trap has been occupied, at night?

    Thanks,
    Thomas
    My grandfather and great-uncle kept bees and my fiancée's grandfather, too. I want to pass this tradition along.

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    Default Re: using thermal camera to verify swarm trap occupancy @ night

    Not for swarm traps, but hives during winter inspection.

    Why at night? Thermal cameras work at daytime as well as they do during nighttime.

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    Default Re: using thermal camera to verify swarm trap occupancy @ night

    the contrast in readings (internal heat coming from entrance versus exterior surface temperatures) is more obvious at night. Hard to get a clear reading during the day, especially if it is warm.

    Night, because there would be no confusion about scout bees versus foraging bees.

    Quote Originally Posted by BernhardHeuvel View Post
    Not for swarm traps, but hives during winter inspection.

    Why at night? Thermal cameras work at daytime as well as they do during nighttime.
    My grandfather and great-uncle kept bees and my fiancée's grandfather, too. I want to pass this tradition along.

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    Default Re: using thermal camera to verify swarm trap occupancy @ night

    Quote Originally Posted by Yunzow View Post
    ...there would be no confusion about scout bees versus foraging bees.
    Thomas, all you need to see - a single bee bringing pollen (if have time - wait to see more to confirm).
    If they forage, they immediately start bringing pollen.
    You got yourself a swarm.
    Really, no need to over-complicate this.
    Simple technology will do - your eyes.

    There are obvious differences between scouts and forages.
    But steadily incoming pollen is a sufficient predictor of the residency status.
    Former "smoker boy". Classic, square 12 frame Dadants >> Long hive/Short frame experimentation.

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    Default Re: using thermal camera to verify swarm trap occupancy @ night

    Drink a beer, open the lid. Breath into the box. You will know if it is occupied. No need to buy expensive electronic gadget.

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    Default Re: using thermal camera to verify swarm trap occupancy @ night

    Quote Originally Posted by odfrank View Post
    Drink a beer, open the lid. Breath into the box. You will know if it is occupied. No need to buy expensive electronic gadget.
    I’ve actually done that and it works!

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    Default Re: using thermal camera to verify swarm trap occupancy @ night

    Well, we have to consider this fact - Thomas maybe actually looking for an excuse to buy a thermo-cam.
    This simple idea avoided me somehow.
    Permission granted.
    Hahaha...
    Former "smoker boy". Classic, square 12 frame Dadants >> Long hive/Short frame experimentation.

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    Default Re: using thermal camera to verify swarm trap occupancy @ night

    I'm just over anxious. built and installed my first trap and want to make sure I don't goof it up.

    I already have a thermal camera. I find it quite useful for a lot of things.

    I like the beer inspection idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by GregV View Post
    Well, we have to consider this fact - Thomas maybe actually looking for an excuse to buy a thermo-cam.
    This simple idea avoided me somehow.
    Permission granted.
    Hahaha...
    My grandfather and great-uncle kept bees and my fiancée's grandfather, too. I want to pass this tradition along.

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    Default Re: using thermal camera to verify swarm trap occupancy @ night

    The beer inspection works the best but I wouldn’t recommend it!

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    Default Re: using thermal camera to verify swarm trap occupancy @ night

    Shout out to SF! (I lived there and nearby for some years.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie B View Post
    The beer inspection works the best but I wouldn’t recommend it!
    My grandfather and great-uncle kept bees and my fiancée's grandfather, too. I want to pass this tradition along.

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    Default Re: using thermal camera to verify swarm trap occupancy @ night

    Quote Originally Posted by Yunzow View Post
    Shout out to SF! (I lived there and nearby for some years.)

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    Default Re: using thermal camera to verify swarm trap occupancy @ night

    Quote Originally Posted by Yunzow View Post
    I already have a thermal camera. I find it quite useful for a lot of things.
    .
    Oh, I see.
    You are now retroactively looking for the excuses you got the camera.


    Anyway, low tech way works fine.
    Once you got the swarm you will just know it.
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    Default Re: using thermal camera to verify swarm trap occupancy @ night

    I can see how this would work well if you had a route with many traps.You could check with thermal image in the evening and,if occupied,remove.Replace with another trap.Save yourself a return trip.
    You could probably do it from the drivers seat if the trap is visible from the road.

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    Default Re: using thermal camera to verify swarm trap occupancy @ night

    Why not combine the two techniques for better accuracy. Drink beer AND use the thermo-cam!
    Last edited by Charlie B; 03-08-2019 at 08:07 PM.

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    Default Re: using thermal camera to verify swarm trap occupancy @ night

    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie B View Post
    Why not combine the two techniques for better accuracy. Drink beer AND unused the thermo-cam!
    My grandfather and great-uncle kept bees and my fiancée's grandfather, too. I want to pass this tradition along.

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