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    Default Re: news article about the adees losing bees again

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post

    Something i did learn from that job was a thing called false economy. The boss rarely worked bees, but me being in the field i could see the lost potential when things went wrong with a hive or hives, my view was if the boss hired another guy, the wages would have been more than recouped in greater production.

    If Adee has average annual losses of 20,000 hives, lets say he gets a good deal on bees and can re stock them for $100 each, that 2 million dollars.

    Let's say instead that money was spent on extra workers at $15 an hour, he could have an extra 133,000 man hours working his bees.
    the point that you may not know, is that we have what the govt. calls ELAP, so you run the hive into the ground and it dies, you file with the govt, and depending on the year they give you $100 to replace the hive, add that into you calculations. Now if they would actually eliminate Elap and the good beeks would prosper, and the bad beeks would roll over and die.
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    "Colony Loss Payments
    FSA has established a normal mortality rate for colony
    losses of 15 percent for 2017 program year and 22
    percent for the 2018 program year. Payments for
    colony losses are based on the average fair market
    value of colonies in the program year in which the loss
    occurs, as established by FSA. FSA has established the
    average fair market value at $140 per colony for the
    2017 and 2018 program years.
    ELAP payments for honeybee colony losses will be
    based on a minimum of 75 percent of the result of
    multiplying:
    • The number of colonies lost in excess of normal
    mortality (15 percent for 2017 and 22 percent for
    2018) due to an eligible adverse weather or loss
    condition, times;
    • The average fair market value per colony for the
    applicable program year."
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    Default Re: news article about the adees losing bees again

    Well here's an old bit of wisdom

    "Whatever you subsidise you get more of". - Ronald Reagan
    "Thinking Inside The Box"

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    Not sure what or how things go. But on a personal level I really admire some of the things that family does and what they give back.

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    Default Re: news article about the adees losing bees again

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    Well here's an old bit of wisdom

    "Whatever you subsidise you get more of". - Ronald Reagan
    I wondered why that sounded familiar
    mike syracuse ny
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    Bottom line if he runs 3,000 hives a man, i would be expecting losses.
    I would agree. I'm at about 1,500 per full time employee and I feel we are at the outside edge of what can be feasibly managed.
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    How do you manage during swarming season with that Jim?

    And yes Wildbranch, I should have given you credit for the quote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
    How do you manage during swarming season with that Jim?

    And yes Wildbranch, I should have given you credit for the quote.
    We break down and requeen most everything each spring. That usually keeps it in check, but history has shown that some years are just swarming years and even fresh pheromones in the hive don't always suppress the urge.
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    As to the Adee family. Lets not forget the work done in congress and I never wrote them a check. They are good people to deal with. You don't get to 80 or 90 thousand colonies and stay there year after year without doing something right. In recent years they have lost and replaced thousands of colonies. I appreciate them. I trust this too will pass for all of us until the next big thing to come and hit us. I wish them and all of you nothing but the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillbillybees View Post
    As to the Adee family. Lets not forget the work done in congress and I never wrote them a check. They are good people to deal with. You don't get to 80 or 90 thousand colonies and stay there year after year without doing something right. In recent years they have lost and replaced thousands of colonies. I appreciate them. I trust this too will pass for all of us until the next big thing to come and hit us. I wish them and all of you nothing but the best.
    Refreshing to see someone not intent on drawing another line in the sand, good post.
    Best to you too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldtimer View Post
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    Default Re: news article about the adees losing bees again

    Quote Originally Posted by Hillbillybees View Post
    As to the Adee family. Lets not forget the work done in congress and I never wrote them a check. They are good people to deal with. You don't get to 80 or 90 thousand colonies and stay there year after year without doing something right. In recent years they have lost and replaced thousands of colonies. I appreciate them. I trust this too will pass for all of us until the next big thing to come and hit us. I wish them and all of you nothing but the best.
    Absolutely, and that's the tip of the iceberg

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildbranch2007 View Post
    the point that you may not know, is that we have what the govt. calls ELAP, so you run the hive into the ground and it dies, you file with the govt, and depending on the year they give you $100 to replace the hive,
    In the country of freedom and free enterprising, you get payed by the government for dead colonies,

    unbelievable....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juhani Lunden View Post
    In the country of freedom and free enterprising, you get payed by the government for dead colonies,

    unbelievable....
    Not so unbelievable now. Our society is gradually changing from free enterprise to "give me something free".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juhani Lunden View Post
    In the country of freedom and free enterprising, you get payed by the government for dead colonies,

    unbelievable....
    FYI Losing 20k colonies out of 100k colonies would not qualify for any payments under the ELAP assistance program for 2018.
    Read for yourself:
    https://www.fsa.usda.gov/Assets/USDA...t-may_2018.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by clyderoad View Post
    FYI Losing 20k colonies out of 100k colonies would not qualify for any payments under the ELAP assistance program for 2018.
    Read for yourself:
    https://www.fsa.usda.gov/Assets/USDA...t-may_2018.pdf
    I guess you're pointing to this part, yes?

    "ELAP payments for honeybee colony losses will be
    based on a minimum of 75 percent of the result of
    multiplying:
    • The number of colonies lost in excess of normal
    mortality (15 percent for 2017 and 22 percent for
    2018) due to an eligible adverse weather or loss
    condition, times;
    • The average fair market value per colony for the
    applicable program year."
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    Quote Originally Posted by clyderoad View Post
    FYI Losing 20k colonies out of 100k colonies would not qualify for any payments
    Ouote:
    "Adee lost more than half of his hives over the winter — 50,000. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by clyderoad View Post
    Read for yourself:
    they don't have the last couple of years available but
    Individual Subsidy Recipients 1 to 30 of 31 in The United States
    Last Name: ADEE

    Rank Name Location Subsidy Total
    1995-2017
    1 Richard Lee Adee Bruce, SD 57220 $ 648,503.32
    2 Bret Lee Adee Bruce, SD 57220 $ 344,705.57
    3 Alice Estella Adee Bruce, SD 57220 $ 252,848.76
    4 Donnie Adee Boise City, OK 73933 $ 220,497.05
    5 Kelvin Dean Adee Brookings, SD 57006 $ 171,834.00

    not as much as I would have expected, but I only did SD, they have other locations in Calif. and Louisiana.
    mike syracuse ny
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildbranch2007 View Post
    they don't have the last couple of years available but
    Individual Subsidy Recipients 1 to 30 of 31 in The United States
    Last Name: ADEE

    Rank Name Location Subsidy Total
    1995-2017
    1 Richard Lee Adee Bruce, SD 57220 $ 648,503.32
    2 Bret Lee Adee Bruce, SD 57220 $ 344,705.57
    3 Alice Estella Adee Bruce, SD 57220 $ 252,848.76
    4 Donnie Adee Boise City, OK 73933 $ 220,497.05
    5 Kelvin Dean Adee Brookings, SD 57006 $ 171,834.00

    not as much as I would have expected, but I only did SD, they have other locations in Calif. and Louisiana.
    If you look at the payouts there are many names on there that lots of us know, payouts for livestock, corn, soy etc. from all over the country.

    As I said earlier re 100k colony operations "maybe the upper limit of a viable bee business is reached with this model and it's unsustainable and everything gives under present day stressors."

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    Quote Originally Posted by clyderoad View Post
    If you look at the payouts there are many names on there that lots of us know, payouts for livestock, corn, soy etc. from all over the country.
    it covers all the farmers, I only listed the adee's, you can break it down many ways,one of the problems is according to the law, you are required to file in the state where you had the loss yet everyone seems to file in their home state, yet it's really for winter losses, how can you have winter weather related losses when you are wintering in florida. you can find out all the ones in NY, want a list, It's like a member list a certain bee organization in NY, what I do find interesting is which ones are missing, now do those large beeks have less losses?? The other thing that I find interesting is neonic's are not on the list of reasons to collect, and the people screaming that neonics are the problem are all on the list for payouts, somebody in the govt. isn't doing their job.
    mike syracuse ny
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