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    Default Re: Are you ready to replace carrying heavy honey supers by hand with an electric pow

    Quote Originally Posted by RAK View Post
    Migrant workers are a lot more efficient than a crane or lift. Pulling honey is a small part of beekeeping for us. Splitting, treating, feeding, is a lot more labour intensive.
    I agree, you need workers if you run more then 1000 hives. What about thous who is keep 200, 500 or 800 hives and can't afford foreign workers. Do not forget salary for two workers for 6 months cost like good
    Bee crane. Plus you need to pay flight tickets,taxes and provide decent housing.
    Even with 1000 hives i did all beekeeping task by myself because i used devises and machinery . I am hiring student for a temporary job. If the beeks are using old grandpa technology for servicing the bees
    then you need more workers to hire for sure.

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    Default Re: Are you ready to replace carrying heavy honey supers by hand with an electric pow

    Boris, im sure the lifts have their place in smaller operations but i dont see how we can ever replace the speed of humans.

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    Default Re: Are you ready to replace carrying heavy honey supers by hand with an electric pow

    bee industry is pretty behind in terms of development and technological innovation. Crane for pulling honey is interesting and works for some. I feel pulling honey is hard work but not body destroying. Routine hive inspections are harder on the back than pulling honey is. Honey gets stripped fast and bees get treated asap and anything that compromises speed in this, directly effects winter losses. Time in the fall can mean 50% vs 10% loss. Of course if mites are at .5% going into honey you have more time then if they are at 2%, but not as much time as if they are at 4%
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    Default Re: Are you ready to replace carrying heavy honey supers by hand with an electric pow

    Quote Originally Posted by RAK View Post
    Boris, im sure the lifts have their place in smaller operations but i dont see how we can ever replace the speed of humans.
    The H/L was developed to assists beekeepers lifting heavy suppers efficiently and avoid unnecessary back pain.Here is a big question which way faster , blow bees and carry one by one boxes by hand instead of placing bee escapes and grabbing 3-4 supers and rolling them or taking by crane.
    Today no one wants to do back to 40 s or 60 s when beeks were extracting honey with hand crank extractors and scratched frames with forks.
    Every beekeeper knows that full honey box weighs about 27 -32 kg. this weight is more than official recommendations (regulations ) for lifting and carrying weight.(,which is 22 kg.) Please read this document.
    https://www.whsc.on.ca/Files/Resourc...urce-Line.aspx

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    Default Re: Are you ready to replace carrying heavy honey supers by hand with an electric pow

    Quote Originally Posted by borisf View Post
    The H/L was developed to assists beekeepers lifting heavy suppers efficiently and avoid unnecessary back pain.Here is a big question which way faster , blow bees and carry one by one boxes by hand instead of placing bee escapes and grabbing 3-4 supers and rolling them or taking by crane.
    Today no one wants to do back to 40 s or 60 s when beeks were extracting honey with hand crank extractors and scratched frames with forks.
    https://www.whsc.on.ca/Files/Resourc...urce-Line.aspx
    Actually lifting one by one is way faster than making a second trip back to a bee yard and what if you are only taking off 1 or 2 boxes per hive?. Using a light sprinkle of bee go on a blow box is incredibly efficient, 2 men can easily pull 100 mediums off of a yard in an hour. Most all commercials have invested in auto load extracting systems and the honey house has become a far more efficient place than it was a few decades ago, but those same commercials aren't using the system you suggest to pull honey. Are you suggesting the same beekeepers who have modernized their extracting rooms and use forklifts for pulling honey, stacking boxes and moving bees are now guilty of group ignorance about how to most efficiently pull honey? Commercials have some incredibly bright and innovative thinkers that have made lots of improvements but more mechanization isn't always the answer.
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    Default Re: Are you ready to replace carrying heavy honey supers by hand with an electric pow

    Quote Originally Posted by jim lyon View Post
    Actually lifting one by one is way faster than making a second trip back to a bee yard and what if you are only taking off 1 or 2 boxes per hive?. Using a light sprinkle of bee go on a blow box is incredibly efficient, 2 men can easily pull 100 mediums off of a yard in an hour. Most all commercials have invested in auto load extracting systems and the honey house has become a far more efficient place than it was a few decades ago, but those same commercials aren't using the system you suggest to pull honey. Are you suggesting the same beekeepers who have modernized their extracting rooms and use forklifts for pulling honey, stacking boxes and moving bees are now guilty of group ignorance about how to most efficiently pull honey? Commercials have some incredibly bright and innovative thinkers that have made lots of improvements but more mechanization isn't always the answer.
    You are right. medium boxes much lighter then deeper's ones . In Canada only a few beeks using the medium's because the honey flow very intensive and you need add every 3 days a new deep super. Recently i developed method for ''one trip''pulling honey with bee escapes.It work's just perfectly. However, everyone does their own way.

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    Default Re: Are you ready to replace carrying heavy honey supers by hand with an electric pow

    Quote Originally Posted by borisf View Post
    You are right. medium boxes much lighter then deeper's ones . In Canada only a few beeks using the medium's because the honey flow very intensive and you need add every 3 days a new deep super. Recently i developed method for ''one trip''pulling honey with bee escapes.It work's just perfectly. However, everyone does their own way.
    We use some deeps for honey, they are certainly more efficient to extract. However, we have always preferred mediums for honey partly because it dosent require someone as strong to handle them but also because it allows a little more flexibility and efficiency when supering as we can put on 1, 2 or sometimes 3 supers at a time if the conditions look promising. But, of course, that is an efficiency trade off. Fewer boxes and frames to handle when pulling and extracting but at the cost of having to lift boxes that can easily weigh 80 lbs as opposed to 40 to 50.
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    Default Re: Are you ready to replace carrying heavy honey supers by hand with an electric pow

    Deeps are so much easier and quicker. A little Beego on a fume board and they are out. forklift loading and moving. Loading the extractor is quicker and each spin out come 20 gallons of honey. But with out hydrophilics then Westerns might be the way to go. But, on the larger scale westerns is way to many boxes to wrangle.

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    Default Re: Are you ready to replace carrying heavy honey supers by hand with an electric pow

    Boris, your video speaks for itself. Well done.

    If others have differing ways and opinions then good for them, but your product certainly has it's place.

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    Default Re: Are you ready to replace carrying heavy honey supers by hand with an electric pow

    There is a company in the US who makes the beehive lift. It's not so expensive compared with European products and you don't need to buy it outside of the US. https://beehivelifters.com

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